Poor Chins Winning Against Top Shelf Power

Sander's power is way overrated. If he had the power that Tua had, comebined with his speed and size, he would have been a great fighter.

 

Admittedly, they're close but I rank Sanders the more powereful hitter of the two.

We can disagree here.

But my original point was that one KO at the hands of a Sanders-type power hitter scarcely means you are chin-challenged.

 

George Foreman was KO'd, not TKO'd by Ali.

Does that point to to

a) Ali being a sledge-hammer
b) George being chinny

or

c) George being exhausted ?


BTW Ali was down a few times too.

There are lots of ways to get knocked down.

Most of Peter's KDs of Klitschko were from clubs to the back of the head, hardly a measure of chin.

 

And which part is "glaringly wrong ?"

Have you adressed the original point I made in answer to your OP ?

Or are you content to toss ad-hominem points my way ?

Inaccurate points at that.

I 'm a fan of Wlad, but a bigger fan of Vitali and a bigger yet fan of Lewis.

Lewis and Wlad are both frequently tagged as being weak-chinned on ESB.

The evidence is missing in both cases.

 

Sanders is a shade behind Tua in terms of real power...Sanders is a faster hard puncher and has the befuddlement factor as a southpaw, but Tua is the harder hitter punch for punch.

 

As I've mentioned, I agreed to differ on that point.

I could even be persuaded, one way or the other.

'A shade' is within reason.

"Glaringly' is just an example of ****wittedness and arrogance.

Sanders is one of the few who moved Vitali backwards and gave him pause to engage.

His KO record is pretty convincing.

However, even assuming that Tua DID have the edge here, my original point was that Wlad got KO'd due to serious power once in his career (Sanders).

His other two KO's came mainly from exhaustion, and even iro-chinned George Foreman can be taken down when the tank goes empty.

 

Hell no he is not.

Sanders is already massively overrated as a puncher. But I hear he is a lovely golfer.

 

Well I don't want to get into a pissing match over which of two boxers, both of which I'm a fan of, has the better chin.

IMO, you can't really class either of Wlad or Lennox as weak-chinned, but on the face of it, if you gave Lennox an 8.5 on your scale, and he was knocked cold by Rahman ( who I'll say with some certainty, does not have the power of Sanders) It's hard to see how you could rank Wlad's at 5.5 when he was hit with more and bigger shots from a bigger puncher and was still moving.
If you would like to refresh your memory on these bouts.


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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YboPBVOHn9Q[/ame]


But you no doubt have your methods, and I'm sure they make sense to you

Actually, goofy or not, he knocked both these guys out in punishing fashion.

You seem to have trouble reading the post and following the point. If you go back and look, I never mentioned anything about Vitali giving anyone pause. My point was that Sanders was one of the few (only?) to give Vitali pause.

 

Sanders was a good puncher but it's his speed along with his southpaw style that made him dangerous.

Usually when a fighter has gone down 10+ times in their career and stopped multiple times like Wladimir, their chins are in question. It's the same with Floyd Patterson, Terry Norris, even Joe Louis at times.

 

****, i love the classic forum. even the arguments are 10x more intelligent than the general.

as for the thread

satterfield over williams-satterfield had **** chin and worse stamina but took a demon like williams (no chuvalo himself mind you)

 

i agree with you but there's always plenty of flack to be had questioning louis' chin

 

Dude, I think you should review your fight tapes and look at was has happened to the top fighters when they take flush shots. Look at Ruiz, look at Wlad, Lennox, Ali, etc. That will tell you who is chinny and why they are thought of as chinny. Ask yourself why Wlad has employed the style that he has now. The answer would be the same as Lennox, to protect their chins.