Poor Chins Winning Against Top Shelf Power

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Yeah, I've seen just about all of the fights of all the guys you mentioned, except Ruiz. And I've seen a few of his.

And I've only seen Wlad KO'd due to chin issues ONCE.

(You could review the Brewster and Purity fights and get back to me if you don't feel the dude ran ouuta gas, like big George did in Kinshasa}

I've seen Lennox KO'd twice, more devastatingly, and by guys with less power.

And I've seen Ruiz right out, dreaming.


So I'll stand by my position.

Wlad does not have an iron chin
like Ali, or McCall or Cobb.

And neither does Lewis.

But both men have adequate chins that are far above that of the average pro heavyweight.


The 'chin-checkers ' just love to exaggerate.





BTW, I'm havin bad thoughts in stereo about your sisters-in-law.

Can't help it.

 

As I've stated already, not a direct measure of chin.

Getting KO'd IS.

Wlad was down three or four times against Sanders. All of that stemmed back to the first big shot where he was seriously stunned. But he got up three or four more times.

You seem to be giving Lennox more credit for getting his ass totally creamed with ONE shot.

If he'd made it to his feet a few time, then folks could say HOW MANY TIMES WAS LENNOX DOWN AGAINST RAHMAN ?

That crude mother****er just clubbed the back of Wlad's head. Most of those KD were illegal punches.


(I will say, however, that getting sparked by Sanders has changed the way Wlad fights. He's lost some of his erstwhile confidence.

The Sanders KO led directly to the disgrace of a fight we saw between Wlad and Oleg, A fight that shoul not have gone more than two.

This is a good thing if you want to keep seeing Wlad win.

It's a bad thing if you crave pugilistic excitement.)

The telling feature of the shot Rahman used to take down Lewis is that Lewis didn't see it coming.

BOOM !


To clarify, and summarize:

I'm not saying Wlad has a great chin.

(I would probably say Vitali has but that's another story.)


All I'm saying is that I've only seen him KO'd cleanly ( and it was a TKO at that) ONCE due shots to the head.


I've seen him dumped two other times but both were clearly stamina issues, which he appears to have worked on since.


So from the evidence of one chin failure, in the face of one of the biggest hitters in the game ( whether Sanders is ahead or behind Tua is not the main issue), I dispute the popular stereotype of Wlad being chinless.

If he had his brother's chin, and mean streak, combined with his own talents, he (or they) would have the makings of an ATG heavyweight.

 

Buster Douglas definitely comes to mind.

 

Same here.

Floyd Patterson winning the 2nd and 3rd bouts against Johannson.

 

Is putting Quarry over Shavers here being unfair to Quarry?

He didn't have a great chin but I'm not sure I'd call it "poor" either.

 

Quarry had a very solid chin. He was down only 2 or 3 times in his career.

 

have to agree. jerry's chin was very good. he stood toe to toe with frazier for 7 and in his prime, he could take a hit. it definitely wore down with age

 

Quarry had a very good chin. What would make you think otherwise?

 

He paid for that toughness later in life.

With his life.

 

Junior Jones>Marco Antonio Barrera x2

Fred Fulton>Sam Langford

Patterson>Moore

Maurice Harris>James Thunder

 

Bad call on my part. Not a huge fan of his and I remember him mainly from being the Frazier and Ali losses. It blew me away the first time I saw him stop Shavers.