Poor management, career choices

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Contro, Oct 15, 2017.


  1. bcr

    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,563
    1,440
    Dec 21, 2013
    Someone gave too much money to a 17 year old, Francisco Bojado.
     
  2. bcr

    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,563
    1,440
    Dec 21, 2013
    Hector Carrasquilla took his title fight way too soon, similar to what we saw with Lubin.
     
  3. bcr

    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,563
    1,440
    Dec 21, 2013
    He got an eye injury in the 1995 pan am games, his team knew that his career was going to be short even before he turned pro, so they rushed him into the biggest payment they could, even if that meant putting David's health on risk.
     
    Rock0052 likes this.
  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    13,317
    11,711
    Mar 19, 2012
    I think maybe Razor Ruddock`s team going into the Lennox Lewis fight after only two tune up bouts with his new trainer Floyd Patterson. I believe Floyd had the right idea and Ruddock had the physical tools to be a much better boxer to go along with his power. Razor may have needed to go on a George Foremanesque type of tour to get used to using his jab and right
     
    SluggerBrawler likes this.
  5. Rafaman

    Rafaman Active Member Full Member

    1,009
    439
    Jun 26, 2015
    Jaidon Codrington vs Allan Green. Why was a 9-0 pro in vs Green who was 17-0?

    It was very rushed and the consequences were that "The Don" was unconscious for nearly 3 minutes. Up until that point in his career, Jaidon had only fought 5 fighters with more wins than losses.
     
  6. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,512
    3,109
    Feb 17, 2008
    [QUDisagreeOTE="ETM, post: 18827401, member: 88699"]I think maybe Razor Ruddock`s team going into the Lennox Lewis fight after only two tune up bouts with his new trainer Floyd Patterson. I believe Floyd had the right idea and Ruddock had the physical tools to be a much better boxer to go along with his power. Razor may have needed to go on a George Foremanesque type of tour to get used to using his jab and right[/QUOTE]

    Disagree. Ruddock had been through a ton of trainers by the time of Patterson. The only constant in his team was his brother Delroy. Whenever a guy has gone through a ton of trainers, it doesn't speak volumes, it screams.
     
  7. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,882
    4,700
    Jun 7, 2016
    He used to use his jab pretty well but he fell in love with his power. Even his losses didnt get him to change his style back. Its not like what he had to do was terribly difficult. He had set his mind on using this strange style he developed and apparently nobody could set him straight. Its amazing how far he got despite only using maybe 40% of his tools. That says a lot about how gifted he must have been.
    When a guy takes tremendous punishment in 19 rounds vs tyson and then gets blown out against lewis but for some reason still refuses to use the jab or simple combinations....then hes not quite right in the head. Even in his recent comeback he was still fighting like an idiot.
     
    SluggerBrawler and ETM like this.
  8. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

    1,451
    487
    Jul 23, 2011
    IMO it was even worse when Marvis Frazier faced Larry Holmes (44-0) three years earlier. He had only 10 fights as a professional.
     
    Rock0052 likes this.
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    13,317
    11,711
    Mar 19, 2012
    Disagree. Ruddock had been through a ton of trainers by the time of Patterson. The only constant in his team was his brother Delroy. Whenever a guy has gone through a ton of trainers, it doesn't speak volumes, it screams.[/QUOTE]
    Perhaps your right. I'm just saying when your are gonna change a guy`s style you have to give him more time than two fights. It`s possible that he loses to Lewis anyway. When I watched that fight I could see Ruddock "thinking" about what he should do then mechanically trying to do it. He was natural or fluid at all.
     
  10. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,512
    3,109
    Feb 17, 2008
    He made the same major mistake he always did. Tyson was no longer quick enough to capitalize on it. Lennox was waiting for that horrible lazy jab himself and with his size/reach/trajectory/ he came right over the top of that jab with a straight right hand Razor never saw. Bang.

    Ruddock was doing the same thing against Tyson, whenever he did throw his infrequent jab. But Mike couldn't step in and fire the quick right hand of his like he did in his earlier days. But the same opening was there. Wide open and he'd only ever throw a single jab and he'd bring it back low. He'd even manage to fall in while throwing it. imagine a guy's balance being that far off just throwing a jab.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    38,042
    7,558
    Jul 28, 2004
    The ko of Ruddock by LL makes a great argument for Lennox being the best heavy ever. A devastating, quick, sleek destroyer.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    38,042
    7,558
    Jul 28, 2004
    Right...a career mistake on par with Tyson leaving Rooney.
     
  13. jdoro63

    jdoro63 Member Full Member

    273
    83
    Aug 11, 2015
    I completely agree. Golota’s former trainer from the amateurs, the late Wieslaw Rudkowski, said in a 2013 interview that Golota’s psyche is what got him. Rudkowski recalls how during the world championships Golota couldn’t sleep and kept walking around his room, disturbing a teammate (the night before a big fight). Rudkowski remembers telling Golota not to worry as he’s the Polish champion and will likely lose. But this still didn’t bring Golota out of distress. It’s the way Andrew has always been apparently, even as a young amateur. Rudkowski thought that when Andree came to the States, American psychologists would fix this “mental” issue. However, Rudkowski says it seems as though the U.S. trainers were more concerned with just making money on Golota in big fights rather than addressing concerns that turned out to be more important than anyone could have ever imagined (Al Certo is the perfect example of having really yelled at Andrew during the latter's clash with Tyson).

    Physically, Golota was superb, no doubt about that. But mentally...that is a whole different story.

    Despite his psyche problems in the ring, Golota still remains a Polish icon.
     
  14. jdoro63

    jdoro63 Member Full Member

    273
    83
    Aug 11, 2015
    Pitting Andrew Golota against then-WBC champion Lennox Lewis following Golota's back-to-back hard, dramatic, and disappointing losses to Riddick Bowe.
     
  15. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    58,748
    21,578
    Nov 24, 2005
    Bowe's management messed up when they matched him with Golota.