Possible scenarios for Cotto/Canelo winner, GGG and the WBC lineal mw title

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  1. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    So how this whole situation would end up. Will the WBC allow to Cotto/Canelo winner to keep his title even if he chooses to defend it against other opponent (even a rematch) than GGG ?

    If the winner of this fight want to fight GGG but @ 155 lbs for the lineal mw title and GGG's team don't agree with the catchweight, how this situation would end ?

    I find it very weird to see 2 jr middleweights fighting for the lineal middleweight title @ 155 catchweight and also trying to find a way to avoid somehow a fight with the real king of the middleweight division.
     
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  2. ryuken87

    ryuken87 Active Member Full Member

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    WBC would rather the Cotto/Canelo winner keep the belt. They are corrupt and will find a way to make it happen.
     
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    The WBC has stated it multiple times now and confirmed it twice. The winner has to defend against Golovkin and is has to be at full 160, and state if they want to start those negotiations within 15 days otherwise they will be stripped and GGG upped to full champ by default.

    Only way around it is that both parties agree to another solution (like a huge payoff, or something like that).

    The WBC looks silly if they turn 180 now, and will probably get sued by K2 if they do.
     
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  4. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Can you post the article/video where WBC say this thing? I'd like to see it. :yep
     
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  6. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    IMO another scenario could be like FMJ comes from his 'retirement' and fight Cotto/Canelo winner @ 155 lbs for the mw title and the WBC elevate this title to super-ultra diamond-stellar title and let GGG fight for the 'regular/world' WBC mw title.
     
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  7. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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  8. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    from boxing.scene articles:

    "The WBC had previously ordered the Golovkin-Lemieux, Cotto-Canelo winners to face each other.
    Unless the parties come to some agreement, the WBC will not allow the Cotto-Canelo winner to bypass a mandatory defense against Golovkin.
    The negotiations will be ordered a few weeks after next month's fight and Sulaiman anticipates the bout happening in "March or April" but the likely date, if it happens, would be in May on the lucrative Cinco De Mayo weekend."

    "The winner of Cotto-Canelo must fight Golovkin," Sulaiman said. "Canelo and Cotto are at an elite level in boxing, and Golovkin has been demonstrating that he belongs there too. This would be one of the biggest fights in history. Golovkin has demonstrated exactly why he is at the level of being considered one of the two best fighters [pound-for-pound] in boxing."


    "The only way to avoid a confrontation with Triple G, is if all of the involved parties signed an agreement in which they agree on another solution. But the WBC's opinion is clear, the winner of the November 21 has to face Golovkin," firmly stated WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman.

    "If the winner of Cotto-Canelo decides to go in another direction, without the consent of Golovkin's team and the WBC, they would have to vacate the title or the sanctioning body will strip them. In either situation, the WBC states, according to their rules, Golovkin would be elevated to the status of full champion. "



    from boxing.scene
     
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  9. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    Golovkin should either enter the ring after the fight, or appear at the post-fight presser and call out the winner live, Cotto/Canelo will have no choice but to fight Golovkin or come out looking like a gigantic coward if he doesn't
     
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  10. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Would be a good idea. :yep:D

    I wonder what face would make the winner of Cotto/Canelo and what he would say when GGG calls him out live.
     
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  11. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    I would luv to see cotto or canelo fight GGG but it's not going to happen they will give up the belt
     
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  12. Dirty Dog

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    Stop calling it the lineal title. You obviously don't understand what lineal means.
     
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  13. Robney

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    I think you need to brush up first.

    It actually is the lineal title, together with the WBC and Ring (often mistaken for the lineal) championships.
    If the winner vacates it will seperate from the WBC belt and probably also the Ring championship if that happens. Because even Ring has stated that they probably strip if the winner won't fight GGG

    "Nonpareil" Jack Dempsey (1884-1891)
    Bob Fitzsimmons (1891, Fitz vacated the title 1895)
    Tommy Ryan (1898-1906, vacated title)
    Stanley Ketchel (1907-1908
    Billy Papke (1908
    Stanley Ketchel (1908, Ketchel was shot and killed, October 15, 1910)

    Frank Klaus(1913)
    George Chip (1913-1914)
    Al McCoy (1914-1917)
    Mike O'Dowd (1917-1920)
    Johnny Wilson (1920-1923)
    Harry Greb (1923-1926)
    Tiger Flowers (1926)
    Mickey Walker (1926-1931, vacated title to campaign as heavyweight)

    Tony Zale (1941-1947)
    Rocky Graziano1947-1948
    Tony Zale (1948
    Marcel Cerdan (1948-1949)
    Jake LaMotta (1949-1951)
    "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1951)
    Randy Turpin (1951)
    "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1951-1952)
    Carl "Bobo" Olson (1952-1955)
    "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1955-1957)
    Gene Fullmer (1957)
    "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1957)
    Carmen Basilio (1957-1958
    "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1958-1960)
    Paul Pender (1960-1961)
    Terry Downes (1961-1962)
    Paul Pender (1962-1963, retired)
    **** Tiger (1963)
    Joey Giardello (1963-1965)
    **** Tiger (1965-1966)
    Emile Griffith(1966-1967)
    Nino Benvenuti (1967)
    Emile Griffith (1967)
    Nino Benvenuti (1968-1970)
    Carlos Monzon (1970-1977, retired)
    Rodrigo Valdez (1977-1978
    Hugo Corro (1978-1979)
    Vito Antuofermo (1979-1980)
    Alan Minter (1980)
    Marvin Hagler (1980-1987)
    "Sugar" Ray Leonard (1987, vacated title)
    Michael Nunn (1989-1991)
    James Toney (1991-1993, vacated title)
    Bernard Hopkins (2001- 2005)
    Jermain Taylor (2005-2007)
    Kelly Pavlik (2007-2010)
    Sergio Martinez (2010-2014)
    Miguel Angel Cotto (2014-Present)
     
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I don't agree fully with cbz but about 95%.

    When Yarosz beat Dundee that was the top two men facing off for all the marbles and imo that began a new lineage which did ultimately lead to Zale.

    But yes if Canelo beats Cotto, gets stripped and faces Peter Quillan then that is where the lineage goes.

    Lineal is a tracing mechanism. It is devoid of politics and simply traces the man who beat the man. If that man vacates or retires we need the top two to begin a new lineage (which is why at LMW the lineage did not re set until Hearns beat Duran).

    The lineal holder does not have to be perceived as the best nor perceived as the favourite over everyone. He needs merely be perceived as the man with the title most worth holding. Today it isn't the case but I hope one day it is.
     
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  15. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    Peter quillin?
     
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