Post 1970 ATG Rankings

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  1. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    Hi all, what do you make of this list? For those fighters who were active before 1970, I only consider the best version of that fighter post-1970, this results in fighters such as Eder Jofre and Emile Griffith receiving a lower rank than their true p4p H2H ability. I rank based on the p4p ability of the best version of each fighter, not on their career accomplishment/resume. Though obviously, a good resume and accomplishments is highly indicative of a great fighter. Hope you enjoy and appreciate the list, I am open to arguments for changes but I am fairly happy with this list and cannot see myself making massive adjustments.
    1)Roberto Duran
    2)Muhammad Ali
    3)Sugar Ray Leonard
    4)Roy Jones Jr
    5)Floyd Mayweather Jr
    6)Pernell Whitaker
    7)Carlos Monzon
    8)Marvin Hagler
    9)Manny Pacquio
    10)Salvador Sanchez
    11)Julio Cesar Chavez
    12)Jose Napoles
    13)James Toney
    14)Bernard Hopkins
    15)Oscar De La Hoya
    16)George Foreman
    17)Thomas Hearns
    18)Mike McCallum
    19)Ruben Olivares
    20)Wilfredo Gomez
    21)Alexis Arguello
    22)Joe Frazier
    23)Mike Tyson
    24)Emile Griffiths
    25)Larry Holmes
    26)Joe Calzaghe
    27)Andre Ward
    28)Canelo Alvarez
    29)Terence Crawford
    30)Juan Manuel Marquez
    31)Azumah Nelson
    32)Naoya Inoue
    33)Oleksandr Usyk
    34)Erik Morales
    35)Vasyl Lomachenko
    36)Marco Antonio Barrera
    37)Michael Spinks
    38)Evander Holyfield
    39)Gennadiy Golovkin
    40)Eder Jofre
    41)Miguel Cotto
    42)Vicente Saldivar
    43)Ricardo Lopez
    44)Tyson Fury
    45)Niccolino Locche
    46)Felix Trinidad
    47)Lennox Lewis
    48)Wilfred Benitez
    49)Aaron Pryor
    50)Bob Foster
     
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  2. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    This is messed up.
     
  3. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    How so? Too low or high in your opinion?
     
  4. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    DEFINITELY too low man.
     
  5. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    I'm a big Frazier fan, the man was an animal. I thought you were going to say too high. Out of the post 1970 heavyweights I have him 3rd, only behind Ali and Foreman. As much as an animal as he was, with an underrated chin in my opinion, I believe in a hypothetical head to head sense he would be vulnerable to some boxer-punchers with enormous power. Thus when considering in a p4p sense, although he may do very well against some of the better movers and his stamina and sheer toughness may allow him to prevail over some of the lesser "boxer punchers", I fear he gets blown out early in a hypothetical sense against some heavy hitters in a p4p sense, ie what happened against Foreman.
     
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    Overall a decent effort but Lomachenko does not deserve to be on this list as a professional
     
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  8. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    Not a better fighter than any of those 50 in my opinion.
     
  9. Rubber Glove Sandwich

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    If we're only considering the best h2h version of the fighter from 1970 and onwards, I don't think Saldivar should be on here. What's the best version of Saldivar from the 70s and on? The Famechon fight? Saldivar is a 1960s guy not a 1970s one.

    I think Chang needs to be on here considering Lopez is on here. He's the better fighter h2h (although maybe that's controversial) and the more proven fighter (That isn't controversial)

    Carlos Zarate should also be considered.
     
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  10. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    How is Saldivar from the Famechon fight a better fighter than Canto from any of his prime performances? You're telling me Cotto is better than Canto?
     
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  11. FoxyBoatman

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    I have to disagree, I believe he has shown more than enough to deserve a place and make me believe he could actually make a few fighters on this list look silly and certainly those on the borderline who missed the cut.
     
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    Welcome to the forum! I probably should've led with that instead of demanding to know where Canto was lmao.
     
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  14. FoxyBoatman

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    Yes, you raise good points in that saldivar was passed his best, though from the famechon fight I don't believe his skills had deteriated drastically as most agree they had a few years later vs Jofre. I believe if a fight was made with Saldivar involved at featherweight on the turn of 1970, he deserves a place in this list. As for Canto, in general the talent pool at flyweight and below is lacking as there is less boxers that size. To deserve a place on this list fighting in those classes, you have to show truly special abilities as Lopez did. As for Cotto, I believe he gets underrated in a historical sense, the man was a beast.
     
  15. FoxyBoatman

    FoxyBoatman New Member Full Member

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    Thank you haha
     
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