Hi all, what do you make of this list? For those fighters who were active before 1970, I only consider the best version of that fighter post-1970, this results in fighters such as Eder Jofre and Emile Griffith receiving a lower rank than their true p4p H2H ability. I rank based on the p4p ability of the best version of each fighter, not on their career accomplishment/resume. Though obviously, a good resume and accomplishments is highly indicative of a great fighter. Hope you enjoy and appreciate the list, I am open to arguments for changes but I am fairly happy with this list and cannot see myself making massive adjustments. 1)Roberto Duran 2)Muhammad Ali 3)Sugar Ray Leonard 4)Roy Jones Jr 5)Floyd Mayweather Jr 6)Pernell Whitaker 7)Carlos Monzon 8)Marvin Hagler 9)Manny Pacquio 10)Salvador Sanchez 11)Julio Cesar Chavez 12)Jose Napoles 13)James Toney 14)Bernard Hopkins 15)Oscar De La Hoya 16)George Foreman 17)Thomas Hearns 18)Mike McCallum 19)Ruben Olivares 20)Wilfredo Gomez 21)Alexis Arguello 22)Joe Frazier 23)Mike Tyson 24)Emile Griffiths 25)Larry Holmes 26)Joe Calzaghe 27)Andre Ward 28)Canelo Alvarez 29)Terence Crawford 30)Juan Manuel Marquez 31)Azumah Nelson 32)Naoya Inoue 33)Oleksandr Usyk 34)Erik Morales 35)Vasyl Lomachenko 36)Marco Antonio Barrera 37)Michael Spinks 38)Evander Holyfield 39)Gennadiy Golovkin 40)Eder Jofre 41)Miguel Cotto 42)Vicente Saldivar 43)Ricardo Lopez 44)Tyson Fury 45)Niccolino Locche 46)Felix Trinidad 47)Lennox Lewis 48)Wilfred Benitez 49)Aaron Pryor 50)Bob Foster
I'm a big Frazier fan, the man was an animal. I thought you were going to say too high. Out of the post 1970 heavyweights I have him 3rd, only behind Ali and Foreman. As much as an animal as he was, with an underrated chin in my opinion, I believe in a hypothetical head to head sense he would be vulnerable to some boxer-punchers with enormous power. Thus when considering in a p4p sense, although he may do very well against some of the better movers and his stamina and sheer toughness may allow him to prevail over some of the lesser "boxer punchers", I fear he gets blown out early in a hypothetical sense against some heavy hitters in a p4p sense, ie what happened against Foreman.
If we're only considering the best h2h version of the fighter from 1970 and onwards, I don't think Saldivar should be on here. What's the best version of Saldivar from the 70s and on? The Famechon fight? Saldivar is a 1960s guy not a 1970s one. I think Chang needs to be on here considering Lopez is on here. He's the better fighter h2h (although maybe that's controversial) and the more proven fighter (That isn't controversial) Carlos Zarate should also be considered.
How is Saldivar from the Famechon fight a better fighter than Canto from any of his prime performances? You're telling me Cotto is better than Canto?
I have to disagree, I believe he has shown more than enough to deserve a place and make me believe he could actually make a few fighters on this list look silly and certainly those on the borderline who missed the cut.
Welcome to the forum! I probably should've led with that instead of demanding to know where Canto was lmao.
Yes, you raise good points in that saldivar was passed his best, though from the famechon fight I don't believe his skills had deteriated drastically as most agree they had a few years later vs Jofre. I believe if a fight was made with Saldivar involved at featherweight on the turn of 1970, he deserves a place in this list. As for Canto, in general the talent pool at flyweight and below is lacking as there is less boxers that size. To deserve a place on this list fighting in those classes, you have to show truly special abilities as Lopez did. As for Cotto, I believe he gets underrated in a historical sense, the man was a beast.