Post-War Ali vs. W. Klitschko

I'm going with Ali until Foreman, with that fight being a pick-em, and then favoring Wladimir thereafter. A key issue is whether we're talking 12 rounds or 15 rounds. If it's 15, the advantage shifts further to Ali.

But people are letting the idolization of Ali blind them to his vulnerabilities.

 

I'll take Wlad by mid rounds TKO, Ali was always very open to a jab and the differences in height and reach would be pretty significant here. As Lampley said, the idolisation of Ali can creates blindness.

I can never get over how many big straight rights Folley landed on Ali, Folley not even being in the class of a fighter with great timing like Klitschko and this was an absolute PEAK Ali when dealing with the Folley affair.

Ali would eat a lot of jabs and a lot of straight rights off of the jab from Wlad and he'd get beaten up and stopped. I really don't see anything stylistically that Ali has that would trouble Klitschko at all, Klitschko is an awful style for him and while people are going to cite Ali's great chin, which is spot on, Foreman did not land flush after flush on Ali, Ali blocked and slipped many of the worst bombs, something that he would not be able to do against Wlad.

Wlad TKO 5. This is absurdly easy for Klitschko stylistically.

 

Agreed.

 

Ali did take very hard punches too the body with the occasional punch that found its way through Ali's guard, Ali had a great chin in his time as well.

I really believe Wlad would not be able to take too many of Ali's punches, he would more and likely get dropped with the straight right. Wlad would be frustrated with Ali's style which in return would leave Wlad open to alot of Ali's punches, and as we know Wlads chin being as weak as it is, it would only be a matter of time before Wlad gets TKOd or knocked out by the greatest.

 

Ali by unanimous decision, maybe even tko. I don't see Klitschko outboxing Ali.

 

ali by Ud

 

You are right about Norton, however he was referring to a prime Ali. Norton faced an out of shape, past his prime Ali in the first fight. And the loss of reflexes and speed made Ali very vulnerable to Norton. It was more the constant come forward pressure, and awkward defence of Norton that gave Ali fits. Totally different to Wlad.

A flush right from Wlad and he stops Ali? HA! The man with the best recuperative powers in the HW division, one of THE greatest chins, and hearts... gets stopped if Wlad lands one flush right hand? You are kidding yourself.

Ali-Foreman a "semi-fix"? What the **** is that? Do you have any clue about boxing history or ...?

 

I agree. Ali's power is vastly underrated. Well, not really raw power, but more the damage he caused with the speed and precision. Many opponents who were KO victims of Ali claimed they never saw half the punches he threw. That's what he did. He threw combinations, in and out of range like lightning. Wlad would be very awkward, but once Ali finds his range, he would pepper Wlad with shots. I would not at all be suprised if Ali made him quit... like he did Liston, who knew he couldn't beat Ali.

 

Agreed, watching Ali fight you couldnt help be amazed at the punches he was able to take from heavy hitters like Foreman and Frazier especially. He was the most dominant Heavywieght in the toughest era of boxing, he beat the odds against guys like Liston and Foreman who were equevalent to beating a undefeated Tyson at the time, they were both looked at as invincible at the time and Ali prevaled by beating both by knockout.

 

You forgot to mention that Ali beat a long list of real opponents who came to fight. Klitschko, on the other hand, has lost every tough battle he has been in. The fact that his victims just stand there and get hit says more about the poor quality opposition Klitschko has faced than it does about his talent and skills as a boxer or a champion.

There is no reason to believe that prime Ali would have any problem with prime Klitschko whatsoever.

 

Anybody who claims size doesn't matter in boxing is, no offense intended, a ****ing moron. Especially when you're as complete of a fighter as Wladimir. Does WALD have a shaky chin? Yes, but he also has height, power, good foot work for a man his size, and almost every punch in his arsenal is lethal. I'm not even a fan of WALD, but not only can I acknowledge that he can beat a PRIME Ali, but I can sure as **** acknowledge that he can most definitely beat a post-war Ali.. you know.. the same post-war Ali that arguably lost to Ken Norton 3 times, a fighter who would've been nothing more than a footnote on the face of boxing had he not defeated Ali. And I'm sorry if some of you don't want to deal with a fact but.. size is an advantage.. and that is a FACT.

 

BTW.. I'm surprised that this thread has gone 5 pages and has yet to spin out of control.

 

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I dont even know where to start. First off there is no way Wlad is close to Ali in speed, its not mythology, its just simple truth. Ali was past his prime when he lost to Norton, who was one tough mother****er who I might also pick to beat Wlad. There is no way Wlads competition matches up with Ali's. Please tell me for the sake of your argument how you think Wlad would beat Ali. And dont even tell me that one right hand from Wlad would knock him out, because that is just ridiculous.

 

You naughty boy !

Some folks are taking your post seriously and responding to it as such.

Well written !

 

You're right, you don't know where to start :?

The threads title is post-war Ali :twisted: Are you taking that to mean when the last GI left 'Nam? Ali-Norton 3 was post war. As to Norton beating Wlad keep revealing your "wisdom".

You're right, in ways that you and many others don't understand. Btw, you're big w/the "no way" debating "technique".
My response is - way ! Have another drink in honor of your avatar

I did not mean that just one Wlad right could stop Ali, but he would be in deep doo doo if he caught one flush. Don't have any more time tonite. Later.