Post Your Manny Pacquiao Vs Juan Manuel Marquez II Score Cards

marquez should have been deducted for resorting to about 5-6 low blows in their first fight and 1 damaging low blow in second fight when the going gets tough for him which we all know severely weakens a fighter..

pacquiao deserves those belts..:deal

 

I dont believe I've heard one single Marquez fan argue that the first round of the first fighter should have been scored 10-7......

As for rounds where there are knockdowns in them, its been common practive throughout boxing history that a dominant round by a fighter that also has in it a knockdown scored, is always scored 10-8.
Thats just the common practice throughout history, and I dont have a problem with that, just as long as the fighters know about it.

I too scored the 8th round of the JMM-Pac rematch, 10-8 Marquez.........
......as been said by IB, JMM totally dominated that round every which way, staggering Pacquiao with power punches......Pacquiao was'nt in any way shape or form competitive in that round, which merits imo a 10-8 for JMM.



Recently I believe in the Cotto-Clottey fight, I scored one of the rounds that Cotto dominated without the benefit of a knockdown, 10-8 for Cotto.....as I was jotting it down in a piece of paper, Larry Merchant exclaimed, "I scored that round 10-8 for Cotto."

.......As Merchant said this, I immediately cursed at Larry Merchant as a biased piece of crap analyst, and said to myself, "yeah, Merchants a Cotto fan, why the heck did'nt he score round 8 of JMM-Pac, a 10-8 as he had done with Cotto-Clottey......

My outrage of Merchants bias was aided by the fact that before the last round of the JMM-Pac rematch took fold, Merchant had stated that his scorecard was dead even.
As the round started, Jim Lampley stated that the fight was likely on the line in this here last round.

.......as the final round closed, it was evident that JMM had won it, and Lampley and Emmanuel Steward implied as such......but Merchant remained stone cold silent about the matter...not tilting one way or the other whether he agreed with Lampley and Steward on their depiction and scoring of the final round......

....but in Merchants final thoughts, he implied that the fight was a dead even fight that happened to go to Pacquiao.....

......thats one biased SOB right there, when he declares he has the fight dead even, and then keeps silent on his scoring for the final round!:-(

Had Pacquiao won that round in Merchants eyes, I have no doubt he would have yelled out at the end of that round that Pacquiao has likely taken the fight with his performance in the final round!

......but instead, Silence!atsch

 

114-113 pacquiao... NEW WBC SUPERFEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

 

dude,

to this day you are :|:|... about the match. if jmm would not win over pbf the more you will be :|:| FOREVER!

no worries i understand. it was the fight that really placed jmm in the limelight of boxing.

no wonder JMM's GREATEST achievement is his DRAW with PAC!
The DRAW with PAC is EVEN BETTER than his win OVER

A) mab
B) casa
C) juan diaz

No wonder JMM fans keeps on playing the broken record that JMM should have won on his lost fight with PAC.. jmm should have won his fight with chris john.... JMM should have won his fight with...

YEAH! iF you don't like the results. WHAT'S new?! NOTHING at ALL!

All HIS LOSSES are due to corrupt judges!!!!:rofl:rofl

If JMM won! DAMN! Those judges are not corrupt :hi::hi:

 

That seems to be a pattern here. If it suits a JMM win, it is valid but if it does not, then it is not.

Those compubox stats was for a total of 12 rounds but what is not glaring there is that we do not judge a fight by 12 rounds but by round per round based on a 10 point system.

I have made a thread already reagrding this immediately after a JMM fan stated that JMM should have won because he actually outpunched Pac using COMPUBOX statistic. However, when confronted by the SAME COMPUBOX round per round result showing that in the 12 round fight, Pac actually outpunched JMM for 7 rounds compared to a 5 rounds in favor of JMM, then compubox results became dubious, questionable, irregular, unreliable. (BTW using that stat on a round per round basis, Pac won convincingly)

That same mindset pattern had been repeated forever in this forum. They can be soooooo generous to give a 10-8 round, meaning that the 3rd round is the same in magnitude and severity as the 8th round in terms of punishment and damage even barring the holding on to the dear life.

 

rightly so. divac scores the 8th round as 10-8 for jmm whilst scoring the 3rd as 10-8 also?

but let us benchmark the results of the two rounds. in the 3rd, jmm was holding on for dear life, got kd with his shoes way up in the air and lastly was so disoriented that he went to the opponents corner if i remember it right.

both are 10-8 divac?

 

ey divac, where are you.

answer my question. you insist that jmm-pac2 round 8 should have been 10-8 in favor or jmm.

but round 3 is also 10-8 in favor of pac.

but seriously, compare, benchmark them against each other. you still think that scoring them both as 10-8 is fair?

 

Scatt,

are you saying DIvac will admit JMM lost?! My friend, you and I have better chances of winning the lotto than Divac admitting JMM lost a fight

 

he obviously is in a quandary now. he insists that round 8 should have been 10-8 in favor of jmm.

ok, that round was jmm best round and will probably win the fight for jmm.

but jmm was sent to the canvas in the 3rd, hang on for dear life and was so disoriented that he went to the other corner.

yet, same score as 10-8. :hey:yep

 

you have to be totally insane to score round 8 a 10-8 round for Marquez

its not even fathomable.

round 8 starts at 7 minutes.

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try to tune Lamley out a little bit. I don't see Pacquiao's legs buckle. I don't see Pacquiao being cornered for long periods of time, taking shot after shot. I see MArquez fighting beautifully, mostly off the backfoot and landing a few sequences of very good shots but Pacquiao taking those punches extremely well. Pacquiao lands a few good shots himself but obviously Marquez gets the best of him in this round. Its very far from a 10-8 round. Be realistic.

This is a 10-8 round:

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In the end of a day, this is what counts; not your opinion or personal scoring or who said so and so.

Duane Ford 112-115 | judge: Jerry Roth 115-112 | judge: Tom Miller 113-114 ~

Now sleep on it and hopefully everybody can now move on. If it is still not happening the next day and you are still in denial period, I will personally convince those who are adamant that Pac won to change their minds for your sake of sanity.

I will now decalre JMM the winner and petition Boxrec (ironically, it will probably exist for eternity) to change their record.

 

now, divac got owned again....well, thats what you get if you dont keep your mouth shut!!! LOL

 

:rofl

 

It's quite obvious that Marquez dominated Pacquiao in that round. He hurt him to the body and opened a cut above his eye with a punch. He cleary landed the more telling blows. I dont think anyone will argue with that. I didnt see a single clean punch land on Marquez. Not one. That should be enough to convince anyone... but i can see that youre in denial. Maybe these stats will convince you. According to compubox, Marquez landed 21 out 46 punches thrown. He was landing 46% of all his punches. Pacquiao threw 25 punches but landed only 5. Marquez landed almost as many punches as Pacquiao threw. He landed 4.2 times as many punches as Pacquiao did. For you to truly understand how dominant Marquez was in this round, if they had landed 20 times as many punches, Marquez would have landed 420 blows compared to 100 for Pacquiao. Its hard to be more dominant without scoring a knockdown. Like I said before, I didnt see a single punch land flush on Marquez. They were all partially blocked or were rendered ineffective with good head movement. The round you posted from the De la Hoya-Pacquiao fight could indeed be scored 10-8 but there is a significant difference: De la Hoya was never hurt. That incredible body shot that Marquez landed hurt Pacquiao. He had to bend over to protect his liver. It could very easily have been scored 10-8. If one of the judges had scored it that way, there wouldnt have been any controversy.