Post Your Manny Pacquiao Vs Juan Manuel Marquez II Score Cards

13 pages of the same old talk.

Juan Manuel Marquez was the rightful winner of the Pacquiao rematch and most boxing experts, journalist, and even respectable posters agree.

 

It is hypocrisy when you LOBBY for a 10-8 round for your man in which you claim he pretty much dominated it without scoring a knockdown, but won't even mention a round in which your man technically got knocked down TWICE but got a "gift" 8-10 round only.

You know what that 8th round showed? That Marquez couldn't knock down a one-eyed guy who was clamping up waiting to be taken out. He didn't have it in him to go for broke against the guy he cut just seconds into the round, his chance to finally secure his landmark win, and not let judges ruin whatever dreams he was harboring that night. Nope, I didn't see any of that. I saw a guy who didn't want to risk anything and seemingly at a loss how to deal with such an unfamiliar role, and as a result of this you, the epitome of unbiased opinion on these hereabout boards, would declare this round as a 10-8 for this fighter, not withstanding the fact he obviously failed to achieve what you probably longed for since 2004?

Just one icon here...:nono

 

as if we dont know your history when it comes to pac :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

shut up :good

 

i remember that it was truly indeed a dominating round for jmm and it would seem to be a travesty for many to score it just 10-9 for jmm although pac i remember was never seriously troubled. he was getting hit for sure but i am sure was far from getting kd.

compare that to rd 3 of the same fight. ok, i will grant your suggestion to score round 8 as 10-8 for jmm.

the same question that i posed to divac, how do you score then round 3 wherein jmm was kd with his feet way up in the air, hung on to the ropes for dear life and was so disoriented that he went to pacs corner. the referee had to bring him to his senses and guide him to his corner.

if you insist that jmm won round 8 at 10-8, benchmark it then, compare it to the damage that pac inflicted on jmm on round 3.

by your reasoning, you are saying that scoring both rounds as 10-8 is fair?
just like divac.:bbb

 

10-7 would have been fair. If it had been scored that way, I would still have Marquez winning 113-112. I just don't see how Pacquiao won. Don't get me wrong, I like the man. I watch all of his fights, but he in my view, he simply didnt win that one.

 

But do you think JMM was robbed?

 

113-112 is as close as a win as you can get in my book, hence, no robbery.

as i said, earlier in the thread. an SD win for JMM would have been acceptable for me and was in fact leaning towards it before the decision was made.

there were close rounds and you can see that some judges award rounds to the more aggressive fighter. hence, pac winning some close rounds.

 

I don't see how that incredible performance ruined his dreams. He had two big fights after that and now he's about to fight one of the biggest names in boxing. Marquez wants to be recognized as the best fighter pound for pound and he has done everything he can to achieve that. He is one of the most respected boxers in the world. Pacquiao's victories make Marquez look better and better. It was a win-win situation for Marquez.

 

I'm sure you heard Marquez' camp after the fight and seen posters who cry robbery on this board. Ruined dreams would be an understatement, if all you listened to are their protestations.

 

I think he was deprived unjustly of a victory which he clearly owned. He earned and deserved that victory, in my opinion. It was the performance of a lifetime. Boxing isn't always about knockdowns and knockouts. It's too bad some judges dont see it that way.

 

I've already explained to these clowns that by history, a third round Pacquiao type of round is always scored
10-8.......
When has there ever been a round with only one knockdown that was scored 10-7???



When you look at the 3rd round......before the knockdown, JMM was handily winning it.....in fact he was landing punches at will on Pacquiao.
I will point out that there was two way action throughout most of the round.....and that just was'nt the case in round 8.


Scatterbrain, no fighter should feel cheated to get a
10-8 round having both dominated it and scored a knockdown, simply because they know going in that its simply the way judges score that type of round.


Listen, had during that round 8 domination JMM had scored a knockdown of Pacquiao, I still would have come up with the same score for that round, 10-8.
.....a knockdown in this case only makes it a no-brainer and automatic 10-8......

I believe that the mindset of a judge when he scores a 10-8 round without the benefit of a knockdown is, "he may have not gotten a knockdown, but my goodness, what domination, figher B could'nt do a damn thing to stop whatever fighter A wanted to do......

In fact, I myself scored at least 1, but I believe 2 rounds in the DLH fight 10-8 for Pacquiao without the benefit of a 10-8.......had Pacquiao scored knockdowns in those rounds, they're still 10-8's......

The fact that a fighter scores a knockdown in a round he's winning only takes the thinking out of it and becomes an automatic 10-8.

Its happened many times throughout history that rounds are scored 10-8 without the benefit of a knockdown




Guys, I'm a pretty busy guy......and though I enjoy debating with you all, sometimes I got to get up and go take care of business.......

......when I'm asked a question, 99 times out of 100 I'm going to answer it. I just believe in that type of ettiquete, just as long as the person asking the question is sensible if not respectful of the situation.

If I dont answer right away, be patient.......I see that a few ******* accused me or avoiding if not runnning from Scatterbrain's question......and started to call it "ownage!"

 

listen divac, i myself would have no problem scoring it as a 10-8 because it was a clear dominating round for JMM. but you need to take into consideration also the concept of benchmarking.

true, it is possible to score a 10-8 round without a benefit of a KD. but study again round 3.

pac sent jmm to the canvas and kd jmm again if not for jmm hanging on the ropes.

jmm was so wobbled and disoriented that he went to pacs corner. that was the extent of the damage done.

not giving jmm a 10-8 round and instead just scoring it as 10-9 is a stretch i agree, but in the same manner that judges awarded rounds by the slimmest of margins to avoid 10-10 rounds, that basically even things out.

to score round 8 and 3 as both 10-8 is plain illogical and more unjust to pac.

 

are you kidding me?

Right after the fight i scored it a draw, after i rewatched it, i scored 114-113 for JMM...But to say a clear victory for JMM is ridiculous...A lot who scored for JMM even admitted that it was a close fight which could go either way...

 

The 3rd round had Marquez clinging on to the ropes, and when the ropes are the only thing keeping the fighter up, is not that a knockdown?

It's not even a question of how dominant one guy is, it's the rules!

 

which should have been a 10-7 round in my opinion. :rofl