Post Your Manny Pacquiao Vs Juan Manuel Marquez II Score Cards

and he will be telling buboy fernandez mistaking him for nacho.

"nacho, pac hits like a mule, what the **** were you jumping up and down for when i got kd btw?

 

You know guys, I'm not going to waist my time and energy debating whether JMM's gloves touching the ropes constitutes a knockdown.

I've debated this issue in a thead some time ago that was dedicated to that exact topic......

.....my conclusion was that JMM did not grab onto the ropes....the punch certainly threw JMM off balance and as he was gathering his balance, his arm and glove which was outstretched intstinctively to help balance himself, just happend to touch (not grab the ropes to stay upright)

Had that happened at center ring, I'm certain JMM's hands and arms would have swung the same way as thats what a person does when he loses his balance, (they stretch their arms outward).....it just so happens that the ropes happened to be there and Marquez came in contact with them......

Its a bang bang call by the referee, but certainly there was nothing automatic about calling that a knockdown.

I've already waisted more time than I wanted to on the subject......but I'll lastly add that JMM's ass nor his gloves ever came in contact with the canvas for anyone to say, "it surely should have been a knockdown, and Pac was deprived of that point."

Bottom line the ref made a bang bang call (the correct one I feel) and even for anyone to believe thats a knockdown, there is nothing anyone can do but to score it as a the ref called it.
Official judges certainly have to do that.

Thats it on the subject of the phantom knockdown......if you guys want to debate about that when we were engaged in real debate about the scoring of rounds with and without legit knockdowns (which I find much more interesting)......then I'm just going to bow out of here and let others debate that point if they wish.

 

What the hell........JMM was counterpunching Pac's every ****ing move.....if Pac threw a shot, JMM would answer right back.......it was automatic in both fights.....


Its called aggressive counterpunching my friend, educate yourself on the matter.......

.....now what Mab did in his rematch with Pac, now thats called a feable attempt to passively counterpunch.....as he's throwing out a weak jab while on the move.....

Its a non-issue here my friend.....anyone with a brain for boxing is not going to argue that JMM does'nt aggressively, and effectively counterpunch every ****ing little mistake he can take advantage of......

......in essence, JMM's aggressiveness in trying to counterpunch nearly every single punch that Pac threw is what caused those knockdowns......

When you aggressively counterpunch, you also leave yourself more suceptible to getting hit. Pac is a powerful puncher, and if he hits an aggressive fighter square, the chances are that he's going to be effected by it.

Make no mistake.....Marquez attempts to counter at every opportunity........a safety first fighter shuts down when he feels the round is already in the bag.....but JMM fights the full 3 minutes of every round......if you say different, you're in deep denial and lying to yourself.

 

laughing at the aggressive counterpuncher description.

counterpuncher is the noun while "aggresive" is descriptive of his type of counterpunching.

counterpunchers are by nature, the more cautious type of boxers divac. for someone who has been in esb that long, do you even dispute that.

that is why, for so long, mab, em and even pac outshone jmm because the latter, being a counterpuncher was deemed less exciting.

counterpunchers by nature take on lesser risk compared to fighters like em, mab or pac. these 3 take on higher risk because their aggresive nature makes them susceptible to counters.

by taking on higher risks, judges award them rounds compared to counterpunchers or mroe defensive minded fighters. not just in boxing but in other contact sports, tae kwando, karate, even MMA, in close seesawing fights or even in case of draw as in tae kwan do, fights are awarded to the more aggressive fighter.

 

poo

 

You've just exposed yourself for how little you know about boxing styles........

You're equating MAB as a risk taker????:rofl:rofl:rofl
Maybe before he got KTFO by Junior Jones, but afterward, not such thing!:deal


How long have you been a boxing fan, if I may ask......

Have you followed any part of Evander Holyfield's career from hit Tyson fights and earlier?????

......and if so, would you label him as not a risk taker???

Evander Holyfield btw is was one of the most supremely skilled counterpunchers in boxing!

Nuff said!!!:yep

 

I'm out of here for the night.....got to get some sleep......

If its interesting enough, I'll check back tommorow!:hi::bbb

 

:rofl. what kind of reasoning is this divac? em and pac are clear risktakers from day one.

mab was also a risktaker early in his career. precisely, why he got ko by junior jones right.

you are skimming the surface here divac. our argument was initially on round 3 and 8. and you have never answered it satisfactorily.

1. you claim that both rounds should be scored as 10-8? :yep:hey
2. you insinuate that jmm was the aggressor being the aggressive counterpuncher? are they one and the same.

 

Ah, I thought you said "I scored the fight a SD for Pac" so I was "wtf".

 

I lost my actual card, but 114-113 Marquez is what I had it. It could have easily gone either way but a great fight, proving Marquez and Pac are very closely matched. Floyd better not be looking past Marquez cause he will be in for a great surprise. Either way, hope to see a classic fight

 

Divac,

Talking to these ******* dipshits was always a waste of time.

Its always the same characters under a different alias. They got no good knowledge of boxing, they can't score a round for ****, and will not listen to reason. These guys will hold on to Pac's nuts no matter what.



Juan Manuel Marquez won that fight and most of the boxing world knows it. Heck, even Roach said it could have gone either way.:rofl
Thats just the final nail in the coffin to seal this baby.:hey

 

^^^^ Yeah I watched this fight with my father. I was rooting for Pac at the time he was rooting for JMM. I thought JMM won he thought Pac won. Go figure.

 

this kind of topic is always guranteed to be atleast 10 pages long

just like a Mayweather vs. Chavez thread

 

Why what seems to be the issue with Mayweather and Chavez? Anybody here arguing Jesus Chavez won or?? Or do you mean Roger Mayweather and JCC? But that wasn't controversial either. :huh

 

marquez won their second fight convincingly, it was one a sided beatdown pacquiao took from jmm, there's no way in hell pacquiao could have won that fight, it was not even a close fight, only bias pacquiao fans favor the decision..

now signal jmm to pull that **** out and stop crying already..