Post Your Manny Pacquiao Vs Juan Manuel Marquez II Score Cards

My Score:

1. Pac He landed more solid punches, JMM the best punch but that's it.

2. JMM Clearly JMM's round.

3. Pac with KD no explanation needed

4. Pac

5. JMM

6. JMM

7. Pac before the cut JMM with edge but after the cut I thought Pac landed the more effective punches and took the round

8. JMM cut Pac and had him hurt

9. Pac cut JMM

10. Pac hurt JMM

11. JMM

12. JMM

6-6 for Pac with KD

 

Although actual judges don't have that luxury and I personally don't pay attention to the crowd roaring, I just did.

First minute belongs to Pac, a few pity-pat punches, scores with a little left and a good right (the left that came after that missed).

Second minute clearly Marquez, JMM scores a left to the body, a big right upstairs, Pac comes back with a left, another right for JMM and then they trade, with both men scoring at least one good shot.

Third minute, Pac landing a borderline low blow, JMM countering with a left, a good right from Pac and JMM again countering with a little left, Pac then missing four times in a row, Marquez scores with a left to the body. Time-out to check JMM's eye, time-in with 23 secs. They start to trade and I'll watch that in slow-motion: Marquez lands a good right, follows with another little right, then Pac lands two consecutive good lefts.

Now tell me that you scored this round for Pacquiao.

 

1. 10-9 pac
2. 10-9 jmm
3. 10-8 pac
4. 10-9 pac
5. 10-9 jmm
6. 10-9 jmm
7. 10-9 pac
8. 10-9 jmm
9. 10-9 pac
10. 10-9 pac
11. 10-9 jmm
12. 10-9 jmm

114-113 pac
i remember when i first watched the fight i scored i actually had marquez winning, not sure what i was thinking, because each other time ive watched the fight manny does get a very close decision win imo

 

From your description, it does not seem to be a clear round for either fighter.

 

Round 9 is definitely a Pacquiao round.

Nothing happened until...

1:57 - Pac hits JMM in the face HARD with a right, although the left he throws afterward misses.

1:36 - Straight right lands for JMM

1:31 - Straight right lands for JMM, Pacquiao bleeding again over the right eye

1:22 - Jab, jab (both blocked), straight left hits JMM nicely in the chin

:51 - Left left by Pac is blocked, but Pac lands a right hook on JMM, since JMM's hands were down and his head forward. My guess on what JMM tried to do was parry Pac's lead left and counter, but Pac's right was there too fast.

The trade sequence at the end of the round was nice, but neither really came out as the winner of that exchange.

 

Of course it's not a clear round!

But it's a close Marquez round. I think people get carried away by the good start and good finish in the last 10 secs for Pac and also by his many attempted (but mostly missed) shots midway through the round. But apart from the first minute of the round and the last seconds, Marquez clearly scored more punches, while Pac missed a lot.

Even during the exchange in the last seconds of the round, where at first glance Pac seems to dominate, if you look closely you'll see both land two good punches. I don't see how one can give this round to Pac. It's a Marquez round, or if one has a very hard time scoring it, the last resort is calling it even.

 

Let me also include sequences that people might use as an argument for JMM in Round 9.

1:14 - JMM throws a combination that backs Pacquiao up. The initial straight right doesn't reach Pac's face, the left JMM extends looks more like a feint to set up a second straight right, which Pac blocks, and finally the left hook to the body misses in front of Pac. Right after this, a little trading, but nothing for either (Pac glanced a wide left hook in front of JMM, so nothing there)

:55 - JMM throws a straight right and Pac ducks under it. Pac tries to throw an uppercut to the body but doesn't have room to do much with it. JMM throws a really short left hook that already started by Pac's right cheek, so no damage there because there wasn't room there for JMM either

:44 - JMM throws a body shot with the left. Lampley says it hits Pacquiao, but Pac had his arm there, and it definitely looks like the hook connected to the arm.

:07 - JMM initiates with two jabs, and it looks like JMM and Pac hit each other at the same time after the jabs.

 

from your description, I would score it for Pac

 

Dude, I've watched the round 4 times already, 1 of them with the sound off and 1 in slow-motion. All of it.

:55 Damage or not, that left hook scored.

:44 It did hit Pac. Watch it as many times as you want.

:07 Both fighters scored two good shots in that last exchange. JMM with two rights (a good one and a weak one) and Pac with two very good lefts.

 

Pac only had the first minute. During the rest of the round, Marquez outscored him with 9 blows to 4, until Pac landed two more shots in the final seconds.

So why do you say you'd give it to Pac with such confidence?

Except if you're one of those that would give a fighter the round cause he "stole it" with the two punches in the end.

 

watched the whole round in 1/4x speed. Clearly a Pac round. Overall Pac landed the more clean and effective punches. Also kind of hurt Marquez with that very flush counter right at 1.57

 

I don't know man, Pac put in some work in round 11. Sorry, I was just focusing on his right hands here.

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No, the left hook at :55 did not score, because as I said, it was barely a punch since there wasn't any room to start with the punch. Same reason why the uppercut to the body Pac tried to throw just before the left hook thrown by JMM didn't score.

Also, about your description, JMM didn't score a left to the body during the second minute (if you're referring to what I addressed at 1:14). In the second minute, JMM's only scoring shots were two straight rights, at 1:36 and 1:30.

 

double post...

As for the body shot at :44, Pac anticipated that one and attempted to block it with his arm (see his elbow drop in order to block). If anything, the only real possible area JMM could have landed was behind the arm, thus the back, which isn't illegal, but not a scoring shot.

 

I disagree with you. From minute 2 to minute 1, Pacquiao lands the 2 most damaging blows. 1 is a counter right hook at 1:57 and the other is a straight left behind a double jab at 1:22. Can you show me a sequence in that time-frame where JMM does more damage than either of those punches?

Honestly I feel Pac took this round beyond any reasonable doubt.

I thought round 1 was the hardest round to score in the fight.