I think people are still unconvinced about BJs injury. I remember watching that fight and recalled BJ clearly getting the better of Hughes albeit not dominating like most BJ fans claim. But you can sense whos had the upperhand. (Note that this was Hughes although not at his peak was still somewhat at the end of his prime) When the third round started and BJ cant even put his hands up, do you remember at the time you were watching? You were thinking what the hell??? Matt Hughes using BJs head as punching bag and taking him down with ease? That pretty much gave it away that BJ was injured.. Because no one mounts (top or side) BJ ever. It has never been done. Now in saying that, Im tired of BJs conditioning excuses as well, but he has admitted that and now there is no more excuses. I love GSP as well, first Im Canadian, then the guy is all class, hes funny as well. I will not feel bad if he beats BJ at all. I am just partial to Bj because he is an unbelievable talent and unpredictable at the same time. Add to that balls of steel. I mean he could've quit in between rounds against Hughes claiming injury and looked great in the process but he continued on and took the beating like a man. I think most people should understand that this fight wouldnt hurt as much as one thinks for the loser. The loser of this fight will pretty much still go on breaking heads.
thats one of the stupidist things i have heard if someone fights at a higher weight class and wins they are obviously better in a p4p sense as they are a smaller guy beating a bigger one.
Exactly. And what makes this intriguing in BJs case is that of all the fighters out there besides Heavyweights and Super HWs. BJ is the one guy that if you hypothetically made a natural heavyweight, will be almost unbeatable. For example a bigger GSP is like Fedor now. A bigger Silva will still get mauled by a Fedor or Nog in the ground. Bj on the otherhand with that flexibilty is someone no one has seen in a heavyweight. Its scary thinking of him as naturally bigger.
That's so ******ed to think of it that way... If Fedor was a lightweight version he would be throwing around heavyweight because he has the strength... If BJ was a heavy weight he wouldn't be able to do half the things he does now.
Huh??? How is that ******ed? Its your assumptions that are ******ed. All these p4p thing whether you put emphasis on it or not is about bringing the same skill set and talents at a higher weight, or in Fedors case lower weight. You cannot conveniently choose to omit a skill or talent they have. You have to take the package they bring as a whole whether you want to make them bigger or smaller. In Fedors case as you stated, If he were to move down to WW...Hed be very strong like he is now, he would be comparable to St. Pierre. No he will not have the green Hulks strenght if he were smaller. As with BJ... He will be just as flexible if he were 230 lbs.
Except, most of the skills or talents ARE depended on weight. So using ur imagination and bringing them to higher weight doesn't really do anything. It's purely subjective. You have to put some kind of a criteria other than your imagination.
It's mostly your imagination. I'm saying it's ******ed to use your imagination for something that is "ranked". You have to use more factual information. Their records and their relative "domination" of their weightclasses is such information
1 Fedor Emelianenko 2 Anderson Silva 3 Georges St Pierre 4 Bj Penn 5 Urijah Faber 6 Randy Couture 7 Miguel Torres 8 Takanori Gomi 9 Antonio minotauro Nogueira 10 Forrest Griffin 11 Lyoto Machida 12 Rich Franklin 13 Quintan Jackson 14 Dan Henderson 15 Sean Sherk
that is what has been said, if fedor overpowers people at heavyweight then if he was a welterweight no doubts he would do the same.
Liddel grew up in my home town, and I'm a bigger fan of Silva than I am Liddel. I don't see either of them beating Machida. He fights too defensively, and if you sit back and wait for him he is dangerous BECAUSE he is so hard to counter. He doesn't set for his strikes and has big enough strikes to stun, not huge power but enough to stun an opponent. He scrambles as well as anyone I have seen on the ground which means the regular ground and pound wrestler types would have a rough time keeping him down. He is very elusive on his feet which means he is hard as **** to take down. That being said. I think his style lends itself to very unspectacular wins in most cases.
But GSP has nothing to gain by fighting a smaller guy, if he wins which he did it doesn't count because he is "bigger" so he is suppose to win. And if BJ wins well then he is much better because of the size difference.