Post your Tszyu-Mendoza scorecoard here

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  1. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    8-4 Tszyu. 116-112.

    Tszyu coasted in the final round.

    I didn't give Tszyu any 10-8 rounds although I think that was possible.

    Tszyu reminds me of Trinidad. Doesn't look so big but the power is ridiculous.

    Mendoza very tough and great chin.

    I had the fight tied after 6 rounds and then Tszyu took over (won 5 of the last 6 rounds and took the last round off).
     
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  2. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Sometimes a fella's just gotta be movin' on Full Member

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    I feel kinda weird, cause a lot of folks were saying if you scored it a draw then you went in with a bias against Tim. But I went into the fight hoping he'd get a wide decision or, preferably, an early knockout, largely because I wanna see him beat Charlo and losing the belt would give yet another excuse to duck him. Maybe I'm developing that same thing Japan judges have, where you're harsh on the one you're supposed to favor. Could just be where I'm still learning, or my judgement just gets clouded by the excitement, I dunno.

    Anyways, I had it like so:
    Tszyu clear - 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
    Mendoza clear - 1, 3, 6, 12
    Swing - 2, 4

    I scored the two swing rounds for Mendoza because while Tim was landing big punches clean, Mendoza was also getting in good blows and I thought that coupled with his workrate was enough to edge 2 and 4 for him. That said, if I watch it without the excitement of the event clouding things, I can definitely see swinging them the other way. I think 8-4 is as wide as it should get though.
     
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  3. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't see a way to give Mendoza 1-4. That just didn't happen.

    I had it 2-2 through 4.

    There's no way to give Mendoza more than 4 rounds of the fight. None of the judges did (scores were 117-111, 116-112, 116-111). It's just not there for him.

    I'd have to see the individual scorecards to see the round by round, but there is zero chance any of the judges had it 4-0 CM after 4 rounds.
     
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  4. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Easy 12-0 Tszyu, everyone knows that.
     
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  5. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
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  6. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Sometimes a fella's just gotta be movin' on Full Member

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    Damn man, and I thought I was getting better at live scoring fights :lol:

    Like I said though, the excitement does cloud my judgement quite a bit on things, I fully admit to that. Usually though, it results in me scoring for the guy I want to win, which in this case was Tim. I did come very close to scoring the rounds I considered swing rounds to Tsyzu, but I felt that Mendoza's activity and landing a few good punches of his own was just enough to nick them. It's definitely one of those fights I can see viewing differently on a rewatch. I guess maybe this first time I was trying to judge a bit more fairly to Mendoza and overcompensated.

    Was I at least right about which rounds were clear for Mendoza? All these people saying the ones who scored it a draw are Tim haters/stupid has me a little self conscious about my scorecard :lol:
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Your scorecard was perfectly fine, @McGrain and I had the same scores as you. Mendoza clearly won the 6th and the 12th. Tim barely threw a goddamn thing in the first four rounds, how anyone could give him any of them with confidence is actually the most befuddling thing I've heard in quite some time. But Tim has some of the most psychotic unhinged fans on this site currently. So do not let them guilt you about anything.
     
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  8. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was thinking Tszyu reminded me of Trinidad as well but maybe not quite as affective. Trinidad was a little more polished.
     
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  9. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rafael had it 10-2 Tszyu.

    That's a bit much.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Dan Rafael is brain damaged from all the fat cutting off the oxygen to his brain.
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

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    No it's not fine.

    There's a reason why all the judges had it 8+ rounds for Tszyu, and two of them had a 10-8 round, it seems.

    I've been scoring fights for a very, very long time and my scores tend to be very accurate. No shock I was so close to the judges' scores.

    There is no way to get Mendoza beyond 4 rounds. Period. No discussion.

    It's just not there, and pretending it is doesn't make it more real.

    Rafael was way off with 10-2, but 6-6 doesn't exist outside of fantasy.
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, that reason is he's an Australian fighter in Australia. Go back and watch the first four rounds, and tell me with the utmost certainty that Tim without a doubt won them. You cannot.
     
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  13. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course, we know that.

    I included his clown score to show what the "6-6" looks like if you put it on the other side.

    6-6 and 10-2 are both wrong. Not defensible scores.
     
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  14. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, it didn't happen.

    Mendoza tried to be cute but took hard shots and did little. You can't win rounds like that, especially against a puncher like Tszyu who is stalking you and putting you into the corner repeatedly.

    If you're going to be cute and win rounds you have to have more skill and movement, like a Ray Leonard or Mayweather.

    It wasn't there for Mendoza.
     
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  15. m.s.

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    Trust your judgement. The amount of rounds won were really close, alot of the early rounds Tszyu was just trying to get the timing down while Mendoza was keeping busy. Tszyu won alot of the rounds big, while Mendoza's was him being more busy.
     
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