Post your Tszyu-Mendoza scorecoard here

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What impressed you so much about Tim's work in the first four rounds? Also, the 6th was one of Mendoza's better rounds, yet you didn't give to him? I'm not arguing that someone couldn't score the match for Tim. I have no issue with 7-5 or possibly as wide is 8-4. But by no means should you have problem with 6-6.
     
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  2. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clean hits, forward movement, more power.

    Mendoza almost seemed to want to try to do a Canelo vs GGG but he wasn't slick enough.

    I'm still looking for the official cards but there is zero chance any judge had it 4-0 CM. It just wasn't there.

    For them to do that, and have it 8-4 TT (one had it 9-3), that means TT swept the last 8 rounds.

    He didn't do that. He gave away the 12th round.

    This was not a hard fight to score. The judges were right, and it's not a surprise that there scores were so similar to each other and similar to people like myself.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    You're right, it wasn't. So why are you having such a problem processing what happened? Plenty of people scored a draw, that score is not egregious enough for you to have a mental breakdown over.
     
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  4. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I should add, the Showtime broadcast was what I watched. I have no idea who was doing the scoring (I watch with the sound down so as not to be biased), but their score was exactly the same as mine and almost exactly the same as the judges.

    When fights are close or rounds are close, etc, you end up with SD's or wild score fluctuations.

    That wasn't the case here, and there's a reason for that.
     
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  5. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's no mental breakdown.

    I'm trying to walk people through how they might have misunderstood what they saw. That includes Rafael.

    This is not a 6-6 fight, period. There is no discussion of that. That is fantasy. Just like 10-2 TT is fantasy.

    You asked questions, I answered them, my score is in alignment with the official judges and Showtime.

    There is nothing for me to defend. I'm right. I'm simply trying to help people who got it wrong.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It was Farhood, who tends to be a terrible scorer when Showtime has an a-side to push. Also Mendoza has no argument that he won, a draw was the best he could've done. That's the reason.
     
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    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well I don't need anyone walking me through anything, nor does anyone else. How about this? You go back and watch the first 4 rounds and the 6th round. If you think Tim won all 5 of those rounds beyond the shadow of a doubt, then by all means passionately argue away. But personally, I think the only one's mind that will be changed will be yours.
     
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  9. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Sporting News score guy gave the first 4 rounds to Tszyu.

    There are plenty of people who don't know how to score fights.
     
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  10. NullaLexInk

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    Thanks for your input man. Any potential fan biases aside, I guess it could also come down to what the viewer looks for in their scoring. I like volume and effective punches most, and I feel like the latter can cancel out the former as long as it's not a 2-1 margin or anything. Tim did land some impressive shots in the first four, better than Mendoza's even, but Mendoza landed good blows himself and had the activity in his favor. 1, 3 and 6 are definitely his in my book; 2 and 4 were a lot closer but I gave him the edge based on that criteria.

    But some folks might find ring generalship/defensive capabilities more impressive than volume. Mendoza was busier but a good chunk of his work was blocked, and there were long stretches where Tim had him on the backfoot even when he wasn't throwing. If you prefer that sort of thing I can see swinging 2 and 4 his way.

    That said, I am definitely walking back one thing I initially said. I can't see it "7-5 either way." Upon reviewing my card I realized all 6 of Tim's rounds I gave him were very clear. Ultimately I see it as being a 6-6, 7-5, or 8-4 for Tim, with even the 6-6 being a possible winning card, because I don't see 11 being 10-8 at all egregious.
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing for me to watch. I saw it live and got the right score. My work is done.

    You asked me for my thoughts, I shared them. That's it.

    I'm right, the scores back me up, and it's up to people who were off with their scorecards to explain themselves.
     
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  12. CST80

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    You're terrified you'll be wrong. It's understandable after you've invested the time and effort into making this idiotic thread. But for your own good you really should check it out.
     
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  13. NewBoxingOrder

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    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We're done here.
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :lol: I accept your surrender.
     
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