Potential boxers have gone to the UFC.

Put your mouth where you money is. "o_money" ...go ahead , grab any belts from these bums. Can you walk the walk ? or are you more comfortable calling them bums behind your computer ?...What do you gotta lose ? it's easy money right ?

 

Is that a fact ? Prove it!...a solid 70% of these guys had a wrestling & jiujitsu background before they started getting into mma. A smaller % used to pratice judo...an even smaller % = kickboxing , even smaller..boxing , ...etc

You're absolutely deluded if you believe that all these guys are some sort of boxing rejects. The main reason why they look nothing like boxers is specifically because they have to concentrate on more than one discipline.

 

by MMA standards , he's very average in the striking department. he's a fantastic wrestler though.

 

I strongly doubt it, one punch from a prime Tyson would make Cro-Cops punch feel like a Zelenoff left hook.

 

dumb ****ing conclusion on your part. As if money = talent.

let's take a basic example.
NBA players are paid millions. Doesn't make them any more talented than unknown "bums" who defeated them at the last summer olympics now does it ?

They're paying these guys to get the bronze medal huh ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics

 

:rofl What a dumbass. So guys like the Gracies who where born into Jiu-Jitsu only did it because they couldnt cut it in boxing. Very few of them ever tried boxing exept for folks like Nick Diaz,Jeff Monson,Jens Pulver,Chris Lytle who took a few pro fights WON them all just so they could improve there hands. Marcus Davis was a promising boxer but tried his hand at MMA. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria was amateur star in boxing but hed rather do MMA. Im 12-3 as a amateur boxer and I left because it was too boring and not enough challenge for me and I was only a amateur for a couple years experience. Ive recently started training Muay Thai and BJJ with legitmate teachers and competers and its so much more of a challenge to master. Ive been working on the Muay Thai kick for a month now and still havent got it down 100 percent correctly where in boxing it was natural theres a handfull of punches you learn and if you actually practice them with technique it dont take very long to become decent at the very least with it. If I went onto to explain how to do a armbar the correct way it would take me quite awhile as where if I explained how to throw a good right hand its a few steps and done. When I started Muay Thai I went in with boxers stance got laughed at and ripped apart because its so ineffective even in a sport that allows punches. Boxings great but its no comparison to MMA its very limited where in MMA we do boxing,muay thai,kick-boxing,judo,all sorts of wrestling (freestyle,greco,folk)then of course bjj. If your going to tell me a boxer match is more difficult then standing and obviously worrying about punches but needing to adjust your stance to defend takedowns,need to focus on leg kicks you really need to actually train in both instead of watching. Anyone who trys to do a shoulder roll in MMA is going to be wide open for the easiest takedown in history and if you try to slip to the left or right you will get your head kicked into the 15th row. I thought more of you considering all the **** we take as Nascar fans. You shouldnt trash something you have no understanding off.

 

any kicks. (including your own kicks ) are more powerful than any of tyson's best punch. It's a scientific fact. a normally constituted adult male has way more power in his legs than in his arms.

What does crocop do again ?...that's right. His specialty is kickboxing.
Now , you're talking about punches. You're forgeting that the ****ing boxer , no matter who he is...first has to land the mother ****ing punch.

You're talking about Tyson (prime or not) under mma rules right ?
Have you seen how muhammad ali looked under different rules ? Have you seen how ridiculed the guy was ? that's right , the "goat" was owned by a mother ****ing fraud

"Inoki initially promised Ali a worked match to get him to fight in Japan, but when the deal materialized Ali's camp feared that Inoki would turn the fight into a shoot, which many believe was Inoki's intention. Ali visited a professional wrestling match involving Inoki and witnessed Inoki's grappling ability. This led Ali's camp to restrict the fight to striking rules only, with grappling disallowed.[citation needed] The rules of the match were announced several months in advance. However, two days before the match a several new rules were added which severely limited the moves that each man could perform. A rule change that had a major outcome on this match was that Inoki could only throw a kick if one of his knees was on the ground.[2]
In the match, Ali landed a total of six punches to Inoki and Inoki kept to his back in a defensive position almost the full duration of the match of 15 rounds, hitting Ali with a low kick repeatedly.[3] The bout ended in a draw, 3-3. Ali left without a press conference and suffered damage to his legs as a result of Inoki's repeated leg kicks."

Have you seen ol' Ray Mercer vs Kimbo ?....By a boxing fan's logic...

"hey!...mercer is gonna KO that bum!"....SURE you can argue and say...he was too ****in old...but it wouldn't have changed ****...because that ****ing bum , Kimbo didn't bother "boxing" , he took mercer's ass down and guillotined his ass.

Tyson couldn't even handle the overrated Douglas in his OWN sport.
How the **** do you adapt to a gameplan when you're confronted to a guy like this ?
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I'm not saying it's impossible. ANYTHING can happen. Maybe fedor will get his ass kicked by the one dimensional Tim Sylvia , maybe not...Maybe tyson would land a lucky punch before getting forced to go on the ground...maybe not. But odds are , the chances would be on the mma fighter's side.

Not impossible...but you're ****ing deluded if you think tyson would have a day in the park under different rules.

 

Very correct about the legs. Ill admitt there was a time I thought no ****ing way those leg kicks could possibly hurt worse then a clean body punch. Well now that ive did both boxing and Muay Thai I must say boxing never made me walk with a limp for a week after finally being able to standup and not hold ice on my ****ing upperlegs.

 

You got it wrong, I never said Tyson would have a field day with Fedor under MMA rules, but the fact that Cro-Cop was able to rock him and catch him with punches coming in, it's pretty safe to say Tyson would be able to counter Fedor's wide hooks that resemble Charlie Zelenoff's in technique. I do think Fedor is smart enough to try and take the fight to the ground, but will he take a left hook to do it? Can he survive it? I think these are both viable questions to ask, and the same could be said for Tyson if he got taken down, can he get back to his feet? Can he survive a ground and pound? Who knows, but it would be interesting to find out, though I think we could both agree that under MMA rules Tyson has a better chance of beating Fedor, than Fedor beating Tyson in a boxing match.

 

NO...
you're talking about "anderson" silva right ? If so , anderson started as a muay thai fighter. then only had 2 fights under boxing rules. One in 1998 (which he lost) and another in 2005 (won)....He started mma in 2000...
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1356

It's not even a question of being succesful or not...The guy only had two mother ****ing fights under boxing rules. He was more interested by muay thai & ended up in mma.

 

Crocop ! crocop!..who gives a **** ? Fedor was almost killed by randleman. Fedor was almost koed by the one dimensional wrestler , Fujita...fedor was almost koed in a coma by a highkick (but crocop slipped at the last moment , only touching the top of fedor's skull)...ANYTHING can ****ing happen.

No one's denying it. The problem is that you can't assume "this and that" because the guy was almost koed by this or that guy. It's ****ing stupid.

1 two different ****ing sports.
2 Let's follow the crocop logic...

Prime Mike Tyson couldn't do **** in against James Tillis.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=803&cat=boxer

and that was in 1986...he tried but couldn't Ko the guy...

where was tyson's god like power to annihilate that bum in the first ?

Again , Muhammad ali...Almost Koed by the weak Henry Cooper. (and his ass was saved by the ****ing corner who gave a bull**** excuse to gain more time)
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FOREMAN couldn't even drop ali with all his best shots!...

Shoulda , coulda , woulda...based on this ****...Ali shoulda been murdered by foreman. But despite the cooper incident..he survived and defeated foreman didn't he ?

Crocop is crocop. Crocop should've been able to pulverise all ufc HWs but it didn't happened.

Lennox Lewis shoulda been able to annihilate Rahman in their first fight...but it never happened.

Tyson vs fedor in MMA ? any chances ? SURE , but my point is that it's ****ing ridiculous to base tyson's chances on the fact that fedor did this or that against crocop or whatever... Forget fedor...Under mma rules , the mma fighter has more chances by default. (excepted when the guy is an absolute bum)...

There's glorified bums in this sport...Such as Tank Abbott..Kimbo is one of the best recent example of this..(but at least he's being trained and is gaining more experience in each of his fights)...

but against an experienced top mma artist...i don't care who the **** you are , prime tyson , prime mayweather..prime klitschko...prime whatever..doesn't change ****. The boxer needs , imperatively needs a a LOT of experience in order to avoid the takedown in the first place.

and that's just to avoid the ****ing take downs. not to mention the submissions. not to mention the different rules...the fact that you can't "hug" and hope that the ref will separate you from your opponent.

(if you do that **** in mma , you'll eat knees during the muay thai clinch)...
There's no miracles in mma...the one's who survive aren't the ones who are packing the best punch..

The ones who make it are the fighters who are good in bjj , wrestling , striking..(no need to box like a champ , it's ****ing mma , no one has a ****ing boxing stance because it's useless under those rules)...

 

Hughes is God-awful at standup, and doesn't even have the capabilities of being a good boxer. Nor does Franklin, far too sloppy. Same with Liddell, though he was a lower-tier kickboxer for a while. Silva has the potential for boxing success, that is it out of the group, other than maybe GSP. The others with that type of talent are few and far between.

 

Fair enough, the only reason I said Fedor is because most consider him the best Heavyweight to ever step foot in a MMA ring.

Ali had a great chin, and proved on many occasions during his career. As far as the Cooper fight is concerned, anyone could catch anyone on the chin and hurt them, but the warrior in Ali gave him the strength to win that match and many others.

MMA is completely different than boxing, you have one sport that allows you to be dabble in many arts and not particulary be an expert in more than one, where in Boxing you practice at being the best/expert in the sweet science your whole career.

 

In terms of pure skills , that emelianenko guy is unequalled. prime for prime....No bj penn , no anderson silva , no matt hughes were/are at this level. Emelianenko has been critisized a lot recently for a real lack of competition...

the irony is that fedor already defeated the best early in his career..then he had a reverse career path...(most boxers are first fighting cans after cans...then B level , then A level fighters)...Fedor had one of the most irregular career management imaginable.

He went from fighting gate keepers , to cans...to one dimensional (but solid) type of fighters...to elites...a bit of everything...even freakshows... But no matter who he ended up against , he treated them all the same way...elite or monumental can...the result would be the same. Victory after victory.

So fedor wasn't a bad example. but when i say , "forget fedor" for moment..it's just that any top mma fighter has an advantage. that's the reality of this sport. It doesn't matter who you are.

That's also why i told you that "maybe" , the one dimensional Tim Sylvia could , somehow find a way to beat Fedor. (who knows...he has a solid takedown defense , he's got ko power...good wrestling...yes his striking is ****ing slow as hell and his boxing sucks but the rest compensates + he's ****ing big too)...

btw , to whoever said that Shannon Briggs once won an MMA fight...(i dont think it was you )...but to that person. WRONG.

Shannon , NEVER won a mixed martial arts ruled fight. Shannon once fought under K1 rules which is extremely different. In K1 , there's no takedowns , no wrestling , no submissions...K1 is kickboxing rules.

And yes , shannon once defeated a guy under K1 in the first round. But it WASN'T against a kickboxer...No , instead he was fighting a pure wrestler.

It's an absurd idea , but that's what it was.....Top boxer vs wrestler , under Kickboxing rules.

Ironically , that same wrestler fought another boxer (only under MMA rules this time)... it was against Skelton.
a fight which you can see here
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obviously , under mma rules , the wrestler was much more comfortable. and strangled his opponent..finished him in the first.

 

Most of the guys I have seen in MMA lack the handspeed to be elite or even mid level journeyman status as boxers, but if they have a grappling background they can get into MMA and make a nice living.