Potentially Unblemished Records

Pernell Whitaker up until the Felix Trinidad fight, although I never scored the Wilfredo Rivera fight, nor have I seen it in years.

 

Yeah...but Pryor was way behind in the fight.

 

JMM's 3 losses and his draw have been close enough to say he may have deserved to win, I thought he beat John, Norwood, and Pacquiao in the first fight. His only other loss is a DQ in his pro debut, which I would count as a fluke.

RJJ if he stopped after the first Tarver fight. It was a debatable decision itself, but he got the win and his only loss was a DQ up to that point.

 

Jim Jeffries if he had never come back.

 

Lennox Lewis, had he come into the ring prepared and at his best, would have never lost to McCall and Rahman. He proved that in the rematches. He wasn't supposed to lose to either one of these guys and everybody knows it. He would be the second retired, undefeated heavyweight champion.

 

I agree with the Aaron Pryor post as well. That Bobby Joe Young fight could have been avoided.

 

The McCall fight had more to do with Lewis's poor balance and leaving himself open when he threw right hands than being undertrained.

Say Lewis beats McCall in 1994 and never hires Manny Steward, or feels a change is necessary. Someone probably would've beaten him.

The loss to McCall was good for Lewis in the long-run.

 

Ali without the 3 yrs 7 months lay-off would have likely met Frazier in 68 or 69 with no ring rust & no loss of speed (especially foot-speed) & won a 15 rd UD.
He would likely have gone for either Louis record defences or Rocky`s record 49-0 or both then retired.
The 3 1/2 yrs did enough to Ali`s legs to allow the styles of Frazier & Norton to catch him in the later rds, that wouldnt have happened to an active Ali I dont believe.

Ps. Before anyone posts, let me tell you, yes, I do know that it was Ali`s poor conditioning & underrating of Norton that caused the defeat rather than the fact his legs were slower but he`d likely have retired by the time Kenny came along in 73 & if they did meet, Id fully expect a Muhammad Ali of 45-0 or 22 title defences (or something similar, you get my point) not to be showing up in the shape he showed up in when he lost to Ken putting his entire legacy in danger, it would look more like their 2nd fight only Ali`s legs wouldnt slow after rd 5 like they did in the rematch (& he still won that fight)

So yes, I say Muhammad Ali woulda been unbeaten if not for that army vietnam ****.

:good

 

'Fluke' or 'robbery' is way too strong a word, but Bowe almost got an unblemished record save for the borderline loss to Holyfield in their second match.

 

I'm guessing he was one of those fighters that improved as he went along. I'm not too sure if he was a Kronk fighter from the start or joined the gym later on.

I remember one of the guys he lost to, Dennis Milton. He lost to Julian Jackson and Bernard Hopkins. Jackson hit him with a right hand in round 1 and Milton was stretched out on the floor. His hands were still stretched out, reaching towards the sky, while he was on his back being counted out.

 

The fighters he lost to were slick fighters, a lot of people think he would've always had trouble with fighters like that.
He wasn't exactly the most technically gifted of fighters.

 

Still think Ali losees somewere down the line. He would still lose to Holmes. Ali was not the type of guy to just walk away.