Pound-for-pound list

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Willie Pep
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Roberto Duran
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Joe Louis
8. Pernell Whitaker
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Thomas Hearns

Ps. Those are the 10 best I`ve seen good footage of & Chavez & Whitaker are more or less tied IMO but no ties allowed so Pea can have it today, JCC can have it another day.

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1. Greb
2. Robinson
3. Armstrong
4. Langford
5. Charles
6. Tunney
7. Fitzsimmons
8. Louis
9. B.Leonard
10. Duran

 

an honest list

 

Duran is neither greater nor better than Robinson, think about it !

 

I have already thought about it punchy.
Whose ****in list is it?
And there isnt a huge deal between 1-10 so get over yourself...

 

And my left bollock is a King Edward.

 

When someone dismisses the obvious, hard-fought greatness of a guy like Armstrong, they're gonna catch hooks to the cranium. Letting something like that slide just ain't in me. Attacking disagreeable posts should be expected on a damn boxing forum.

Common sense should tell you not to be so sure about what happens in any professional bout. I am not one to proclaim the technical greatness of Fitz and guys from that era, but that isn't to say they weren't great. It is too say that they competed in an essentially different sport.

Writing off Benny Leonard, Dempsey, and Barney Ross as primitive is incredibly out of place on this forum. But you have that right; as I have the right to question how much you know about what the rest of the boxing world has established as the "Golden Era."

 

Ross for me is the start of 'modern' boxing technique. He managed to beat numerous ATG's with virtually no punch to speak of, just brilliant boxing ability and ring generalship. I think that if Pachilles had watched some of Ross (and there is plenty of film available) he wouldn't have said that about him.

 

I make my list based on dominance and abilty against world class opposition

Robinson
Jones Jr
Duran
Mayweather
Whitaker
Ali
Leonard
Charles
Pep
Hearns/Patterson (2way tie)

Why the following don't make my top10:

Langford - he has an excellent case but I feel his style maybe too primitive dropping him down my ability list.

Burley - close but not quite as dominant as he should have been, perhaps down to him fighting much bigger men

Tunney - very close maybe he should be in its hard to call. Beat every man he faced, which is impressive domination over 2 divisions. I actually think he may well be better overall than Greb, yes he has the defeat and close fight to Greb who's smaller but Greb also lost to smaller men (and more of them), overall he came out on top, beat Dempsey and Loughran and some top HWs. He didnt face all the top HW talent and was probably only facing world level talent for 6 years

Armstrong - a champ for only 3 years. Didnt face top WWs like Burley, Holman Williams or Cocoa Kid. Went life and death , lost his title to a none great in Zivic in his prime, went life and death with Ambers twice. From 130-140lbs he is inferior to Whitaker, Duran and Mayweather and was lose to all 3 in my view. Neither is he as dominant as any of them

Benny Leonard - comes very close I rate him above Ross certainly, his skills look better on film, he was very dominant and maybe he should be top10. Who knows maybe he should rate over Greb/Tunney P4P of the time too? I rate him above Ross but below Duran/Mayweather/Whitaker at the weight, 4 from around the same weight class is probably 1 too many

Greb - He could well be top10, but without footage I can't say for sure, both Tunney and Loughran were likely pre-prime though. I like to judge who I can see, aswell as great wins he has some hurtful losses, he lost and drew with a WW in his prime, drew his series against both of the Gibbons bros including a bad beating, lost his series to Tunney, lost his series to Flowers, lost to O'Donnel in his first title shot. I'm not sure he's dominant or good enough but maybe he is, if he showed impressive skills on film on par with any in my top10 he makes the cut, but from what I've seen thats unlikely

Moore - at his absolute best I don't see him beating elites like Charles or Patterson

Hagler - only fighting in 1 division and losing, he has a case for being above Hearns though but not Leonard

Ross - near his prime when he was completely dominated by Armstrong, being dominated in such a way in his prime

Gans - really not sure he's advanced enough to cut in the ability stakes, but maybe I'm wrong

 

Basically PowerPuncher your list is of who you think would whoop the most ass in a time machine?? we have very similar lists

 

Yes and ofcourse a 'Honey I Shrunk all the boxing champions to the exact same size' Machine, while I threaten to stamp on them if they don't duke it out for my amusement

 

If it weren't for stop watches I'm sure some would argue Jessie Owens the greatest fastest sprinter of all time. Even with stop watches Janitor trys to argue he's faster

 

Very solid top ten.
My somewhat tentative one.
1 Greb
2 Armstrong
3 Robinson
4 Fitzsimmons
5 Langford
6 Leonard
7 Charles
8 Pep
9 Ross
10 Duran

11 Moore
12 Canzoneri
13 Walcott
14 Gans
15 Wilde
16 Walker
17 Ali

Very tricky, another day ,probably different
Should, Mclarnin,Pacman,Jofre, Ray Leonard be there ?