Pound for Pound-- means you can beat higher weight classes, right?

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Therefore PBF IS pound for pound #1 because he could beat most guys at 154. Manny Paq might not be pound for pound because he would lose to anyone north of 135 lbs.

 

both mayweather and pacquiao moved up from their original weight of 130 and 106 respectively. so why you still asking for pacquiao to move up north of 135? at 154 mayweather will encounter problems with paul williams.

 

Pac is already quite ahead of his orignal weight class.

He cant push himself past 135. And i think 135 is too much.

 

Paul Williams fights at 147 which is Welterweight :good

 

If a fighter spends his entire career fighting in one weight class he can still be P4P. The fact Pac won't fight at a higher weight is irrevant, its what he achieves and how he does it that matter.

 

oops. so at 147, there are guys that will give floyd some trouble.

 

Pac might be a bad example-- but what I am saying is this: is our version of pound for pound rankings flawed in that we compare how good fighters careers are when we should be comparing how well a guy could do outside his weight class?

 

I think we have it right as it is. Its how a fighter performs and who he beats at the weightclass(es) he chooses to fight at. I don't see it having much to do with how he would fare against natrually larger opponents. P4P just means you disregard weight as much as possible when judging the fighters.

 

imo, it goes together. look at the example of mayweather and pacquiao who both moved far from their original weight and still dominated their oppositions while calzaghe and marquez who are also on top5 P4P, who dominated their opposition while staying mostly at a single weight their entire career.

 

P4P is how good a fighter is regardless of weightclass. That doesnt mean wether you can beat guys at higher weight, that means all things equal being size, are you really the best? In that sense its saying if all men grew to the same size, who would still be on top? Pac has p4p power and speed so more than likely, a HW version of him would look like someone like Wlad with a chin and more stamina.

 

a pacquiao in heavyweight will finally revive boxing :good

 

Pound for pound is a fantasy game, much like Dungeons and Dragons. It's fun to talk about but that's about it. The only thing that is real, and it's a harsh reality, is if great P4P guy does not continue to challenge guys in higher weight classes, then he is conceding that he cannot beat the guy above him in weight. For example, if Floyd does not fight @ middleweight and if successfull, move up from there, he's admitting to the world that he cannot compete @ that level. Likewise, if Pac does not fight @ welter, he's admitting to all that he cannot compete @ that level.

The next logical step is to say who's the worlds greatest boxer period. That would allow the best women to be compared to the best men.

 

False. I've never heard any definition that interprets it that way. You have misconstrued.

 

:roll: You're joking right?

 

i kinda think this pound for pound sucks. For example:
Boxer A weights 230pounds he stands 6foot 7 and is a well rounded heavyweight. he is ripped and everything. But you can never compare him pound for pound to a 154 pound guy. the heavy always will have more pounds of fat, of bone and everything else. we would have to take all the organs and bones out of fighter and than compare em, but thats kinda impossible. and even if you could do that, why should Valuev have to have the moves of a pbf? i mean you still can say that pbf or whoever is arguably the best boxer atm, but you cant really compare him, you cant give facts, so anyone could also say that he is way behind of shannon briggs