Pound for pound top 25 17/7

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Manny Pacquiao
    2 - Juan Manuel Marquez
    3 - Joe Calzaghe
    4 - Miguel Cotto
    5 - Israel Vasquez
    6 - Kelly Pavlik
    7 - Christian Mijares
    8 - Ivan Calderon
    9 - Ricky Hatton
    10-Rafael Marquez
    11-Chris John
    12-Nonito Doniare
    13-Joan Guzman
    14-Antonio Margarito
    15-Fernando Montiel
    16-Oscar De La Hoya
    17-Paul Williams
    18-Shane Mosley
    19-Wladimir Klitschko
    20-Mikkel Kessler
    21-David Haye
    22-Winky Wright
    23-Arthur Abraham
    24-Chad Dawson
    25-Nate Campbell
    26-Roy Jones


    Honourable mentions for Jermain Taylor, Jorge Linares and Casamayor.

    Mayweather, Hopkins and Barrera are being treated as retired. Mayweather would have been #2, Hopkins #11 and Barrera #23.

    Thoughts?


    * Edited to include John.
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  2. TFFP

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    I think Pavlik and Hatton are too high, not top 10 for me, certainly not Hatton. Donaire too, christ.

    I'd also move Margarito down, and I'm not high on the sloppy Williams being above Mosley, Haye, Wlad, Dawson, Kessler etc. Just too high full-stop.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I was never sold on Williams. Never ever. But i'm not buying into this idea he is done now that he has an L on his record. A better fight than he is currently being given credit for, having previously been overestimated.

    Kessler is marked down for ducking and for inactivity.

    Dawson stepped up and was very dissapointing.

    Haye is perhaps deserving of a higher rating - it's arguable, but he's also unproven having moved up.

    Wlad is higher here than on most lists i've seen.


    Where did you rate Cintron before Margarito smashed him down?
     
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  4. adamsutherland

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    wtf are jones and de la hoya doing there?!
     
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  5. ishy

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    Hatton and Donaire are too high. Oscar is a bit high as well and Wlad should be above him for now.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I scored him in a win over the p4p #1. The judges scored it to the #1 by a sliver. I won't move Marquez to 1 on the strength of my card but I won't hit him up for the loss either.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Jones has been stringing the wins together not to badly, he was contesting that spot with Taylor, who I think Jones would quite possibly beat at around 168, and Casamayor. Nothing between these three for me.

    De La Hoya dropped a razor thin decision to the retired p4p #1 whom he was set to rematch. He belongs in the 20.
     
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  8. TFFP

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    I wouldn't have had Cintron anywhere near a 25 personally. He just hasn't beaten anybody, or even showed anything skillwise that would suggest he could be that level of fighter, power aside. I mean this is one of the best wins on Margarito's record, which is why I find it hard to justify your ranking of him.

    Why was Dawson so disapointing? He wasn't that bad, against a good fighter (a lot better than somebody like Donaire has ever fought) and he pinched a close one against a guy he struggles with stylistically. Very very harsh ranking.
     
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  9. reed_man02

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    Donaire is way to high. He has done nothing to be in a top 20 let alone at #11. He beats Vic and gets way overhyped.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Donaire is on the up and up. I consider him a world class talent. But maybe.

    Why do you say this about Hatton? Stopped by the best fighter in the world outside of his own weight class before a dominating performance upon returning to 140? Why should he be penalised, particularly?
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Top 25 pound for pound? Possibly not, but he was top 8 at welter, and Margarito owned him. Do you consider he is in Miguel Cotto's class?

    He won a contested decision against an old fighter.

    If Donaire steps up in class and struggles similairly he would suffer in the ratings too. But i've never really had Dawson higher than this. To me he is overated.
     
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  12. ishy

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    I think I had Hatton at 9 or 10 before the Floyd fight and as you say there's nothing bad in stepping up and losing to the p4p no.1. However since then people like Mijares have come to prominence and climbed up the rankings so Hatton's been pushed down a bit. Saying TOO HIGH was a bit of a exagerration on my part but I don't think he belongs in the top 10, I have him at around 12,13.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    9-12 can be justified in my view.
     
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  14. TFFP

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    Neither of them are in Cotto's class, Cotto does everything better than Margarito, and I'm sure it will be proven

    Old is really besides the point, he's a better scalp than Vic Darchinyan who is a bit of a never been, and Maldonado solid but unspectacular. Johnson and Adamek are too better wins full-stop

    Then you have guys like Haye who beat the lineal champ in his backyard and another solid contender, Kessler who was completely dominant over that level of competition. All of these guys way below him. I can only think you are really high on his skillset, can't be from an achievement standpoint, because he's blown out of the water.

    This is the main blunder on the list; Donaire. A lot will question that.
     
    TFFP, Jul 17, 2008
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  15. JonOli

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    I felt the same. He was in Rings top ten but they booted him out for his performance in the Lazcano fight. OK, he didn't look exceptionally convincing, but he hardly droped a round and won comfortably enough. Lazcano was actually one of there top ten contenders as well.

    You could argue he shouldn't have been there in the first place, but to boot him out for that fight was a bit harsh I thought.

    At the same time they jettisoned Pavlik into the top ten, for the first time, for beating up Locket. Someone who was no where within a million miles of their contender lists.

    Where's Hopkins?
     
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