Pound for pound top 25 17/7

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  1. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good

    Beating Malignaggi would see him back in the top 10 for me.
     
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  2. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    What the hell has Jones done to be in the P4P top 50, much less top 25? Donaire seems absurdly high as well.
     
    Brickhaus, Jul 17, 2008
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I treated Hopkins as retired.

    He'd have been around #11.
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  4. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    hahahaha Roy Jones makes your list??? hahaha. The guys isn't even top ten in his division...maybe not even top 20.
     
    o_money, Jul 17, 2008
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  5. TFFP

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    So presumably that was a really good win for Calzaghe from your viewpoint?

    You must have had him top 10 prior to that?
     
    TFFP, Jul 17, 2008
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Doniare is a talent, I expect to see special things from him.

    If you can name another 25 fighters who shold be ranked clearly above Jones I will be surprised. I certainly think he would be in a close one with Taylor who was one of the other fighters competing for the spot.
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very much so. I considered it a great win.
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  8. criollo

    criollo fearless Full Member

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    klitschko definetely closer to 10! JMM @ #2?:nono delahoya ahead of paul williams?:huh
     
    criollo, Jul 17, 2008
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  9. TFFP

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    This begs the question, why do Marquez and Pac occupy the 1 and 2 spots? I'm not disputing it massively, as say Donaire, but I'm just interested in the logic behind it

    Their fights must have been very close for you, and Pacquiao must have been quite a bit ahead of Calzaghe prior to that for you to consider a close loss to Pacquiao as better than a win over a legit top 10? Or did you score it for Marquez, and Pac's overall resume makes him top? What's the deal?
     
    TFFP, Jul 17, 2008
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I disagree with you about Klitschko, though there is a case.

    Marquez beat the #1 on my card, lost by a point on the judges card. How much room is there for other fighters between Marquez and Pac given the closeness of the decision, which I had a point the other way?

    Oscar dropped a similairly thin decision to the p4p #1 who just retired. Again, even given the disparity of the weights, how much room can there be between the two?

    Additionally, of their recent losses, whose is worse, Oscar's or Paul's?
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I scored it in favour of Marquez. I consider that there is nothing between these two.
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  12. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    In the past 4 years, he's 3-3, the losses were blowouts (albeit to good fighters), and his only wins are against Prince Badi Ajamu, Anthony Hanshaw and Tito 20+ lbs over his best weight and 4 years removed from his last win. There are prospects who have better resumes than that. So it's not that difficult to say there are 25 clearly better. All 24 ahead of him except maybe Campbell should clearly be ranked higher, as should guys who weren't ranked like Tarver, Taylor, Casamayor, J. Diaz, Solis, and John.

    Also, there's no logical way anyone can have Jones ranked over Tarver right now. None.
     
    Brickhaus, Jul 17, 2008
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  13. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree, he shoudl be #1
     
    Stinky gloves, Jul 17, 2008
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  14. criollo

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    well paul williams bounced back with a devestating 1 rd knockout over the only guy to beat him. De la hoya is juz fighting like once a year it just doesnt make sense to say he achieved more than more in recent years! And JMM gave a hell of a performance but I got calzaghe @2 and cotto @3
     
    criollo, Jul 17, 2008
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  15. TFFP

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    The guy is right, Jones really struggles to get in there on any basis right now, as much as I would love it to boost Joe. His recent resume ain't too pretty, and its not as if he makes up for it with impressive displays against these guys, his feet are stuck in glue a lot of the time, he's not as fast as he was (although his handspeed is still good) and the stamina is awful

    Stick a fork in him.
     
    TFFP, Jul 17, 2008
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