Pound for pound top 25 17/7

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  1. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    i certainly think so
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think it will be in the region of 116-112, but not that. Jones is quick, his hands are now positioned properly and Joe visiting the deck whilst boring in is nothing impossible. The bland beat-down people have picked out for Jones is not going to materialise.
     
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  3. TFFP

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    To be fair, I picked Joe to beat Hopkins more convincingly (although it was claer enough), so I'm kinda wary this time. I just let my heart rule my head and didn't account for stylistic factors.

    I do think he'll do this in better style, hopefully
     
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  4. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    to be honest TFFP i did the same, the night of the fight i put a bet on calzaghe to win all 12 rounds on every card, once the fight started i realised that i took no notice of the clear stylistic nightmare for joe, but looking towards jones i see it being completely different and i genuinally think joe will prove himself and win convingcingly:good
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This style IS better for Joe.

    The gulf in class that you are describing, does not exsist. What do you think Jones has learned through his success and failures? He's already made adjustments to his style - much needed. The man is technically better than he was at his absolutle peak.

    Calzaghe is more fundamental. He has improved, vastly, as a general but his style only works one way (postes calling for him to alter this style ahead of Hopkins were exposed, in my opinion) and has learned the tricks of his trade, of course.

    But Jones has adapted. He will again, during the fight, probably. So will Calzaghe and that is where the win will be made. But it's going to be closer than people are saying, though I will have money down on it.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A pattern is emerging!

    I told you boys last time, i'm telling you this time; closer than people are saying. It will be a UD this time though.
     
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  7. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Yes. Not steam roll per se, because Calzaghe isn't the type to steam roll anyone, but I do expect him to thoroughly outbox him. Jones just doesn't have the reflexes anymore, and he's going to get into big trouble leaning up on the ropes.

    The last two times they fought, Tarver beat Jones. Since then, both lost, but Tarver lost to the better fighter (Hopkins vs Johnson). And Tarver's interim wins are stronger than Jones' interim wins (even giving Jones the benefit of the doubt here, Woods >>> Tito, Hanshaw > Muriqi, Santiago = Ajamu).

    Based on ring accomplishments, there is no way to rank Jones over Tarver right now.
     
    Brickhaus, Jul 17, 2008
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  8. TFFP

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    You are one of the few I respect, so I'll look out for it and give you absolute due credit if this materialises because I just don't see it.

    I''ll stick with 10-2.
     
    TFFP, Jul 17, 2008
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  9. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Only if you ignore reality and substitute your own. Whether you think JMM won or not, Pac still did officially win. And, once again, measure their competition against each other, and Pac's resume is clearly better than JMM's.
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I see clever countering on a square opponent getting Jones rounds. He'll lose, but nothing like as big as you are making out.


    This is not a list built expressley around who has beaten the best fighters. Jones' position on this list is what seems to be providing people with the most umbridge. To clarify my position:

    Jones is going to be very competitive against my #3 in September. At that point he will drop off my list. His position here indicates he is still competitive with the absolute elite in his class in a way that Tarver would not be, in my opinion.

    Well that depends upon how far you back you go, doesn't it? Jones is one of the best fighters who has ever lived, a legend about to have a fight. Tarver is none of those things.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Do you feel this way about Chavez-Whitaker too? Or do you make allowances?

    I said there was a case. I have not embraced it.
     
    McGrain, Jul 17, 2008
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  12. Brickhaus

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    Yes, but unless you can provide me with a single shred of evidence that today's Jones is the same fighter who beat John Ruiz, then I think it's reasonable to discount his accomplishments then and earlier. If you're still looking at those accomplishments, then you're going back way too far.
     
    Brickhaus, Jul 17, 2008
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  13. McGrain

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    Okay, I understand, but Jones' chance - yeah, chance - is based upon what i'm describing here, the fundamental nature of Calzaghe's style. Jones knows what Joe is going to do right now. He's at home, right now, knowing exactly what Calzaghe is going to bring.

    You really think two rounds is the best he can conjur?
     
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  14. McGrain

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    I am predicting that the proof is in the future. I am saying that Jones is going to do well against Calzaghe.

    Jones didn't take this fight to lose. I promise you that much.
     
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  15. ishy

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    If Tarver beats Dawson does he make the list?
     
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