Pound for Pound Top Ten

A lot of people have Sam Langford high on their lists, for obvious reasons, but i have to say it is hard to see how he can possibly rate ahead of Fitzsimmons. Fitz was middleweight champion for an amazingly long time. He was would have been light heavyweight champion for a similar length of time if such a division existed, and he even became heavyweight champion. All this while weighing, at his heaviest no more than a super middleweight. No middleweight/super middleweight has achieved as much. That is a massive achievement. Langford was great, but as a middle or even light heavyweight, he was never ever the best fighter in the World, Fitz was.

The more i think of Fitz, the more I have difficulty seeing any fighter that ever proved to be as good at a lower weight. Robinson is often credited with the title, but he was a welterweight who rose as high as light heavyweight, but was never really the dominant champion there and he struggled with the added weight, and to do it, he bulked himself up. Fitz didnt need to bulk himself up and still beat the bigger fighters. I think he was the pound for pound greatest.

 

An interesting fact is that you have Benny Leonard # 1 at lightweight and then Joe Gans at # 4, when you base the list on accomplishments. Roberto Duran and Ike are in between. Did Roberto really accomplish more at lightweight than Joe Gans?

When I was discussing who had the better lightweight resume between Gans and Leonard with Senya not too long ago, he was putting forth some nice arguments for Gans, even though I was saying Benny edged it in comp.

Gans often gets dismissed because of the pre-historic argument (before 1920's or 40's), and maybe there is some merit in doing so, but if we are talking accomplishments, Gans did it all and then some.

 

I can never really bring myself to argue with anyone's all time P4P list. You can never be to sure who is the best in this era let alone of all time! I think it's more of a case of personal favourites rather than who is the true best. Anyway, don't let me stop you all.

 

McGrain saw your thread in the lounge i want this thread to kee goign so we see you getting drunker and drunker

i know the question aint for me but

I'd pick Moore at 175lbs and over 15. Heres why....

Fitzsimmons was a crafty counterpuncher from what i can gather who liked his oppoennts to lead then he would counter them but from looking at the pictures and tiny mount of footage of him his defence is capable if an opponent uses combination punching but getting to do the combination punching will be hard as Fitz wont let you.

I think Archie is tricky enough to get Fitz to lead then Archie could counter with combinations which is like double cryponite for Fitz. I think hed take a wide UD about 10-5 11-4. However i could see the argument for Fitz