pound for pound top ten

This is just ridiculous. You won't give Haye credit for beating a linear champion in Mormeck, a title holder in Maccarinelli, a future title holder in Fragomeni or a titleholder who completely dwarfed him, but you give credit for beating Cintron (yes, we can agree that Martinez did beat Cintron, but what the hell does that prove?) or Miranda (a top twenty SMW, wow?). Glenn Johnson might be 'tough', but hasn't actually beaten a top ten LHW in five years. Your view is ridiculously slanted, like you start from who you want to be on your list and then invent justifications for putting them there.

 

He has Martinez at 6 and Ward at 8. Case closed?

 

absolutley , Ward has shown great things and maybe is deserving of grabbing a place ( id like to see one more big win but thats debatable ) but yeah Martinez LOSES to a good but Mega Hyped fighter and he is 6th !!!!! Two places above Ward , that way madness lies !

 

Personally I always like to see rankings based on a body of work rather than one notable win, and that's all Ward has. Martinez doesn't even have that.

If people spout the 'styles make fights' mantra at every available opportunity (and they do), then putting a fighter in the top ten on the evidence of beating one opponent is illogical and unsustainable.

We've seen this in numerous examples over the past few years. Taylor shouldn't have been pound for pound top ten for beating Hopkins. Subsequent fights proved that he didn't deserve that high a rating, but once he was there he stayed there based just on a couple of fights against one opponent who was weight drained and over whom he had a significant style advantage. Taylor then fights an opponent who has a significant style advantage over him in Pavlik, loses, and once again nearly everybody puts Pavlik in the P4P top ten again based solely on results against one single opponent (who shouldn't have been as high as he was in the first place). Well 'nearly everybody' was wrong.

Next we saw Antonio Margarito laughably nearly universally proclaimed as top ten P4P after beating Cotto. Margarito did the same against Cotto that he does against anyone else. Despite the fact that he looked actually outclassed in the early part of the fight, the style advantage that he held allowed him to get the win. Bottom line is, if you didn't consider Margarito top ten P4P before the fight, there was no reason to do so after. But everyone had him, what, top six? They were all wrong again and proven to be wrong when Mosley clowned Margarito. Of course they don't then admit they're wrong, they take Margarito out and insert Mosley in instead! Why is Mosley so high in the rankings? He lost to Cotto, struggled against Mayorga and beat Margarito, who should rightfully have been 20-30 P4P. Apart from beat Collazo that's all he's done in two and a half years.