Povetkin has NOT been cleared

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  1. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This WADA statement is pursuant to their April notice that "the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of the ingestion". October 1st has simply replaced March 1st as the cut off point.

    From the new notice:

    "To summarize, this means that for urinary concentrations of meldonium: below 1 μg/mL, for samples collected on or before 30 September 2016, results management may proceed and a finding of no fault may be made unless there is other evidence indicating use of meldonium on or after 1 January 2016."

    Do 3 negative tests in 2016 prior to the positive not constitute evidence indicating use of use after 1st Jan?

    The possibilities:

    a) Test 1, 2 and 3 were erroneous
    b) Test 4 was erroneous

    Or, the tests were accurate and either:

    a) Meldonium has weird excretion patterns, which as yet neither WADA, nor anyone else reputable has made a statement on.
    b) Povetkin was using the whole time and failed to mask it properly for test 4

    WADA need to clear this up. Ryabinsky is either thick as ****, or out of line saying this exonerates his boy.
     
  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good
     
  3. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I'm not going to pretend that I'm a scientist but if he got caught,he got caught. Why all the damage control for this guy?
    He doesn't give a **** about BN24.
     
  4. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Meldonium knows how to play peekaboo with the best of 'em. :roll:
     
  5. NaiKoN

    NaiKoN M Power! Full Member

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    Ok, posting again. Russian swimmer Efimova has been cleared despite some of her tests showed small amounts of meldonium traces, very similar situation to Povetkin. It is believed that meldonium stacks up in liver and shows up in tests from time to time. Efimova, Povetkin are not the only one's who got majority of their tests clear but still had couple with small amounts of meldonium traces.
     
  6. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not saying he's dirty, just showing that it's yet to be determined.

    Certainly do seem to be a lot of scientists here though, telling me "it was definitely in his fat cells, someone told me on twitter" :think
     
  7. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And the funny thing is "They know Povetkin has used PEDS" yet they doing extreme damage control!
     
  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Every should just ignore this part honestly, It's all just guesswork of somebody who's never stepped foot into med school. Read the first half and make your opinion from that.
     
  9. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nonsense, I'm not guessing anything. The possibilities listed are deliberately broad to avoid getting into pharmacological details. Anything constituting specific qualities of meldonium that could lead to anomalous test results is covered in one option.

    Can you proffer any scenario leading to the sequence of 3 negatives followed by a positive, which would fall outside of the possibilities I've suggested?
     
  10. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Efimova hasn't been cleared. Her suspension has been lifted while under ongoing investigation.

    The FINA Doping Panel hearing is being conducted right now.

    And the IOC will undertake an "evaluation of the situation" before allowing her into the Olympics.
     
  11. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Not you, Im talking about the usual suspects in the "HE'S CLEAN" threads.

    Fury is my dog but I have not said a word on whether he is clean or dirty. I let scientist do science. These other guys switch jobs every day.
    They are lawyers, accountants, network execs., promoters, managers, fantasy match up kings, corner teams, advisors, husbands, wives, girlfriends and all that ****. They are hardly fans of anyone, the proof is the vanishing act of the Manny Pacquiao lovers.
     
  12. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The test for Meldonium is diagnostic, i.e. if it is positive there is meldonium in there. It does not mean it will find it every time. False negatives are to be expected at such levels (although I admittedly know nothing about thequality of the assay they use).
    Additionally, meldonium has weird "metabolism" patterns, this is already known and that's why Wada is in such a mess. To not get sued into Bolivia over Rio, they are backing off now.
    Moreover, concentration in urine vary, as does sensitivity of the assay, and quality of laboratories.
    The three negatives and one positive inbetween is not even surprising.
     
  13. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Seems like grasping at straw. This thing is over.
     
  14. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for this info, and correcting some terminology :lol:
    A statement to this effect from WADA would help clear up a lot of cases. Someone mentioned Efimova, and I see she's planning to sue the lab responsible for her tests.
    You think they will when they're satisfied they have enough knowledge to do so accurately? Or is it a bit late now, and that would be too much of an admission of a colossal **** up?
     
  15. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe nothing further will come of it. Consensus seems to be that Povetkin has been given some sort of pardon by wada. I'm just pointing out that isn't the case.