Povetkin is past it. I don't think he'll offer much past the first 3 rounds.

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  1. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    Povetkin arguably got lucky against Price. David Price is probably the worst HW in the world that the general public actually know about. The fact Price had some joy just shows how washed up Povetkin is now that he's probably off the gear, at least off the good stuff that made him a monster post-Wlad-pre-pop. If Joshua loses to Povetkin it'll be Audley Harrison levels of embarrassment. Joshua should have him out of there in 4.
     
  2. Jim Jeffries

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    I do if you watch it he could've stayed up but went down to recover because the 2nd shot would've ended him.
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    He looks down to the canvas and didn't want another shot to land. Yes, he was very hurt but the 2nd left shot he knew it would be over.

    I'm not his biggest fan but it is what it is. I think he mentioned it before in an interview.
     
  3. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We shouldn't count out the skill-full old pugilist but Povetkins last two performances suggest the man is on the decline. He'll get up for this one like Ortiz did against Wilder, but like Ortiz, Povetkin will succumb to the old stallion. I'm not saying Alex would look as great as Ortiz did against Wilder. I'm actually tipping Joshua to control this one like he did with Parker and most likely get a KO win.
     
  4. Jim Jeffries

    Jim Jeffries Ring General banned Full Member

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    I think the biggest danger Joshua faces in this fight are counters from Povetkin. I think that's where potentially Joshua is vulnerable in getting caught in this fight.

    Either way i don't think he'll have much trouble outside of the counters or potentially slowing down mid fight.

    I think Wilder's speed, athleticism, and wildness poses more of a threat than slowed down, hook happy, shorter (needs to fight on the inside) Povetkin. The mockers will disagree with me.

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    ''Hey, I like to throw hooks a lot with the occasional uppercut and overhand right'' - Alexander Povetkin
     
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  5. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd think Povetkin vs. Park would be the most exciting fight than Povetkin vs. AJ. I think AJ will stop him in the later rounds. 8-10 I assume.
     
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  6. humbug

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    There won't be a Lewis moment. Joshua is very methodical and I don't think he takes any opponent lightly.

    Joshua will beat Povetkin via KO inside 6.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

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    That's a total assumption the facts at the time don't support that assumption.

    Fact is before Joshua fighting Wlad he was not Joshua's mandatory because Joshua didn't have the WBA belt and even before then the fights with Breazeale and Molina were down to Haymon who had options on Joshua as part of the Martin deal. So there was never a chance to fight Ortiz as a voluntary even if he wanted before Wlad.

    Joshua/Wlad happened on 29th May 2017. But Ortiz signed with Haymon in March 2017, so even before Ortiz was Joshua's mandatory he had signed with Haymon and was looking to fight Wilder instead of fight Joshua.

    May 2017 Ortiz threatens law suit to enforce his mandatory against Joshua.

    July 2017 Ortiz starts negotiating to fight Wilder.

    Aug 2017 both the IBF and WBA order mandatory defences against Pulev and Ortiz.

    Sept Wilder/Ortiz and Joshua/Pulev announced.

    Does Ortiz stop negotiating with Wilder when his mandatory is being called or does he take legal action when Pulev is announced as Joshua's next opponent as he had threatened? Nope he does neither. Why because Wilder was an easier path to the title.

    Had he really wanted the Joshua fight he would of done 3 things.

    1 - Signed a deal with Hearn and not Haymon

    2 - Not begun negotiating with Wilder before his mandatory was enforced

    3 - Taken the legal action he had threatened earlier that year.
     
  8. Jim Jeffries

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    Pulev fight was announced before the Ortiz vs Wilder fight for Nov 4th. Just saying. Ortiz speaks little english and Pulev was picked because he was less dangerous and more known than Ortiz.

    5th of september the Joshua vs Pulev fight was announced. 12th of september the Wilder vs Ortiz fight was announced. Negotiations are negotiations. That doesn't say too much on the gravity of those.

    Regardless of when Joshua won the WBA Ortiz was mandatory for the belt for a good while. Before Pulev won an eliminator for a chance to fight Joshua.

    Eddie Hearn alluded to the reason why Ortiz was not matched up with Joshua because he has little name value and didn't look too great vs Allen and Scott. A guy with an iron chin and a very negative fighter who didn't come to fight. I think realistically he'd have posed a threat to Joshua but it's whatever. The contract was private.

    I think ideally a september fight vs Joshua would've been much more entertaining than the bland, boring fight against Takam who has not much power relative to the division. Good technically but not much power to cause a huge concern. It was a good replacement on short notice, though.

    [url]http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/17744646/heavyweight-luis-ortiz-signs-matchroom-boxing[/url]

    He did sign a promotional agreement with matchroom boxing in the assumption he'd get a title shot.

    Luis Ortiz is one of the most exciting heavyweights in the world and I am delighted to be working with him," Hearn said. "We plan to keep him very busy and let the fans enjoy his devastating power. Luis is an avoided fighter but we plan on giving him the profile that will make that impossible."



    So yeah i mean i dunno... I think a september WBA fight instead of the IBF eliminator winner in Pulev would've been a much more thrilling contest. Either way it is what it is. He signed in the promise he'd get the Joshua fight which was never gonna happen.
     
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  9. Brighton bomber

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    They were both announced in the same month a matter or days apart. Fact is Ortiz was negotiating for the Wilder fight at a time when he was not the mandated mandatory and when he was mandated did nothing to push that mandatory, didn't even take Joshua to court like he had threatened earlier that year.

    Also don't mistake being number 1 as the same as being mandatory. Only need to look at the Whyte and WBC debacle to prove that.

    Ortiz beat Jennings for the WBA interim belt which got him his top ranking with the WBA. But he was not mandatory, if he was the WBA would not have ordered a final eliminator with Ustinov in Jan 2016 a month after beating Jennings. They were set to fight for that mandatory position in May 2016 but Ortiz pulled out at the last minute. It then went to purse bids which Rabinsky and Ustinov won in Aug 2016. But Ortiz again pulled out and then paid $1 mill to get out of his contract with Goldenboy.

    So the assumption that Ortiz was the WBA mandatory for a long time is false, he was number 1 but not mandatory as clearly stated by the WBA's need for a eliminator. Ortiz was never the true mandatory until Aug 2017 when the WBA mandated it because between pulling out of that WBA eliminator he did nothing but fight Scott, Allen and never fought an eliminator to confirm his mandatory status as the WBA wanted with the Ustinov eliminator.

    When Joshua won the belt it was end of May. From the time he won that belt til Wilder/Ortiz it was announced it was just over 3 months. There was no time to fit in Ortiz in a voluntary especially as Joshua took a break after the Wlad fight.

    By Aug 2017 when the mandatories were announced Hearn already knew as did everyone else Wilder and Ortiz were negotiating a fight and so Pulev was picked not because he was ducking Ortiz or was seen as an easier fight he was the only opponent looking to actually fight Joshua at the time. Didn't help that Ortiz signing with Haymon either, had Ortiz truly wanted the Joshua fight he would of signed with Hearn as he clearly isn't against signing with the manager of the fighter he is about to face.

    You can keep making assumptions or you can look at the facts and the facts are pretty clear, Ortiz did nothing to make the Joshua fight happen, nothing!
     
  10. Jim Jeffries

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    Calm down. It's only the internet.

    Signing with Matchroom/Eddie Hearn is doing something who alluded around the time he'd eventually get a title shot. He then openly states he didn't do enough in the Allen and Scott fights to get a chance to fight Joshua to sell the fight in an IFL interview somewhere hidden on youtube.
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

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    I'd elevate my confidence in Povetkin if he doesn't get knocked or severely buzzed in the first three rounds. If Joshua knocks him out, it'll be way early or a mercy stoppage in the 11th/12th, I really don't see anything in between. Count me among those who feel Joshua has a weak gas tank and that Povetkin will do his best work in the middle/later rounds. Then again as I type this I think to the Parker fight where Parker controlled the first half rounds and didn't have the energy to throw enough or evade as well to keep Joshua from connecting and controlling the back half.
     
  12. FastSmith7

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    So being chinny means you have no power? WTF is this comment... It's like saying Lemieux is featherfisted because he didn't KO Golovkin
     
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  13. Jim Jeffries

    Jim Jeffries Ring General banned Full Member

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    I never said he had no power. What i said was his power was ''accentuated'' against a chinny opponent with his chin in the air and no defense.
     
  14. BCS8

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    I have a funny feeling based on nothing at all, that after this fight there will be two things said:

    1) Hey, AJ won!
    2) OMG, AJ got exposed! I knew that he was no good!

    These two statements are not incompatible. Bookmark this comment ;)
     
  15. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    I dont think this is guna be a particulary fast paced fight, Joshua is going to be doing all the pressing working behind the jab and using the reach advantage, he will be studying Wlads win over the Russian plenty of times. All Povetkin can do is look to counter and hope he catches AJ with one of them. So unless Joshua hurts him early i doubt he will be gassing in the early rounds.