Povetkin: overrated or underrated?

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    - Had significantly less success against Wlad than 2005 Peter, let alone 2004 Brewster (though Wlad was allowed to foul the most against Povetkin and was on his prime run)

    - Had far less success against Joshua (albeit at 39) than Ruiz did 252 days later

    - Pulled out of scheduled fights with Wlad in 2008 and 2010 and was kept away from a 2014 Ortiz according to Povetkin’s promoter Ryabinsky

    - Dropped by all four of his hardest punching opponents: Wlad, Price, Joshua, Whyte (though the latter three were at 38+)

    - Star amateur (2003 world champion and 2004 Olympic gold medallist, 125-7 record, all losses avenged) pressure fighter who turned pro at 25 but didn’t drop or stop Tessier, Ahunanya, Donald, Chambers, Estrada, Firtha, Chagaev, Huck, Wlad, Wach (absurd 12th round political cut stoppage), Rudenko, Hammer, Joshua, Hughie or Hunter (15 of his 39 opponents pre-Whyte 2)

    - Never held a legitimate version of the world heavyweight title (though Charles Martin and other inferior fighters were maneuvered to it)

    Conversely, Povetkin has some impressive professional accomplishments:

    - Almost certainly ducked by team Wilder

    - Top 10 Ring ranked from 2007-2021 (highest ranking of 2nd)

    - Arguably the most successful heavyweight of his approximate size/style since Tua or Tyson

    - Regarded by many as one of the best heavyweights to never win a title

    - The greatest Russian heavyweight on merit, ahead of titlists Maskaev, Valuev and Ibragimov

    - His win over top 5 ranked Whyte (8 years younger, taller, longer, 28 lbs heavier, eleven win streak) is among the best ever for a 40+ heavyweight and fantastic given the full context (1-1-1 in his previous three fights including a draw against Hunter, must have known that it could be his final fight, extremely high mileage, away from home, B-side, 3/1 underdog, well behind on the scorecards in the 5th, knocked down twice in the previous round, immaculate once in a generation one-punch KO)
     
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  2. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Seriously? Wlad should have been DQd for that disgusting embarrassing performance. Let’s not pretend Wlad wasn’t illegally holding on and pushing for dear life in that “fight”
     
  3. KINGWILDER

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    Forgot to mention he stopped Duhuapas significantly faster than Wilder, what does that say by your own logic? Forgot to mention also, Tony Grano and Ashanti Jordan outperformed Luis Ortiz and Deontay Wilder against Travis Kauffman and Eric Molina respectively. What does that mean?

    You are clueless as usual, styles make fights. Povetkin may have been overrated but he has had a far better career than the ‘boogeyman’ Ortiz who has one good win. He has a deeper resume than Wilder as well who also has only beaten one proper contender.
     
  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad was utilising the exact same tactics against Peter:

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    The difference is that Peter (who is regarded as a crude fighter relative to Povetkin) didn't accept it and responded to Wlad's fouling with his own, scoring three KD's, the first two directly via rabbit punches.

    So Povetkin has to take a lot of the blame for his poor performance. He allowed himself to be victimised by that cynical thug (and his bodyguard referee) with zero pushback, unlike Peter 1.
     
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  5. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People forget that Peter was an absolute monster early on his career and just fought on for way too long. It was a very impressive win by Klitschko.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    If the Klitschkos hadn't been around Povetkin would have ruled the division with an iron fist.
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the Klitschkos hadn't been around more cruiserweights would have moved up and given Povetkin all he could handle. Superior heavyweight prospects would have been brought along more quickly too. He'd have probably snagged a belt but not kept it for very long.
     
  9. BCS8

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    cool story bro
     
  10. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Roided Povetkin was a beast, if he was around today he would destroy everybody.
     
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe the version of Povetkin without his heart medication
     
  12. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    Excellent heavyweight, much better than many official champions like Martin or Parker.
    - The fight against Klitschko is shameful. With a normal referee Klitschko would have taken a warning in round 2 and the rest of the fight would have gone differently.
    - He is unfortunately already 39 years old when he faces Joshua and despite that we can give him 4 of the first six rounds.
    - Wilder ducked it. That Ortiz tested positive didn't bother Wilder and the fight took place four months after the test.
    - Winner of Whyte (at almost 41 years old!), Takam, Chambers and Byrd.
     
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  13. Lesion of Doom

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    Blaming Wilder for Povetkin's positive result is so dumb. Wilder was in Europe at the time as I recall, and the fight would have gone ahead had Povetkin not tested dirty. Wawrzyk also popped dirty so Wilder/Wawrzyk got canceled, too. Fighters can choose to fight roided opponents but are under no obligation to do so. Same thing when an opponent misses weight.

    Mind you, Povetkin got busted a second time in the same year against a different opponent for a different substance. He was just another Jared Anderson when you get down to it.

    If you look at late 20s Povetkin against Eddie Chambers, he looks pudgy and not explosive. It wasn't until he started filling himself to the brim with magic juice that he improved at HW.
     
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  14. BlackDog

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    Its dumb imo belive that Povetkin would use doping "again" when whole world watching him... Special when He fight with someone he was favorite...

    And if You want judge it clear... Povetkin was cleared official from first doping assault. VADA must admit there is no evidence.

    For me (my personal opinion) second time was script and Bermane was actor here. He even Dont get in shape for Povetkin fight and for no reason after this **** happend he got WBC title shot again for no reason...

    And for God sake. If someone know a little about doping he will now that ostarine start working after 2-3 weeks. Povetkin team must be total idiot to use this kind of drugs with they story. And ostarine give u almost nothing ... Come on.
    Think a little.
    That was for sure big plan... Dont work first time soo they use Bermane (who was catch using aboned substance himself but he just must paid a little...)
     
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  15. GGGfans

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    They are all roided. Wilder gaining 25 pounds of lean muscle for Fury III? Joshua?

    Wilder agreed to face Ortiz twice who was roided. Why not Povetkin?
     
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