Povetkin: overrated or underrated?

Povetkin's only prime loss is to Wlad. I'd say he is easily comparable to Wilder or Joshua in terms of accomplishments.

Why are people bringing up Whyte and Joshua given Povetkin's age?

 

You can do this to literally almost anyone's record.

 

wilder is a pathetic duck

 

You can also list the corpse of Rahman without any context and get corrected for it.

 

Povetkin was equally to blame with his head down charging into Wlad's chest. After those early knockdowns he did not want to stand upright in front of Wlad.

 

He's a very solid fighter that gets slightly overrated imo. Dillian Whyte probably cracks his top 3 wins.

 

Overrated in what sense?? There's this thing called 'context'.

 

Duhaupas stepped in on 24 hours notice to face Povetkin when Povetkin failed yet another drug test (for a banned muscle-building drug) and his original opponent walked away.

Stopping a guy who got off his couch, hopped on a plane from France the day before a fight to face a guy juiced to the gills isn't a big accomplishment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/b...g-test-loses-title-shot-Bermane-Stiverne.html

 

He is certainly overrated on this board.

You won't find any highlights of Povetkin winning his Olympic medal because his opponent was too injured in the semifinal to even compete. Povetkin won gold in a walkover (no show).

Povetkin was Wlad Klitschko's mandatory in 2008 but his trainer at the time, Teddy Atlas, said they faked a foot injury because he knew Povetkin would lose.

Povetkin was Wlad Klitschko's mandatory again in 2010, but Povetkin failed to show up for the press conference announcing the fight claiming he had a sinus condition. His trainer (Atlas) again said he didn't think Povetkin could win. The fight was called off.

Instead, Povetkin went after and won the WBA 'regular' belt ... the same belt held by Trevor Bryan, Daniel Dubois and currently held by Charr.

Povetkin started getting into PEDs after he arguably should've lost his "regular" belt to cruiserweigth Marco Huck. Huck bashed him all around the ring. Povetkin looked soft and doughy.

They waited until Klitschko turned 37 years old, but Povetkin's new PEDs didn't help him against Wlad when they did meet in 2013. Wlad demolished him.

So he switched PEDs and turned up lean and ripped and started scoring KOs after that.

Then Povetkin failed all his drug tests before all his fights in 2016.

After getting busted for PEDs the entire year in 2016, he started going the distance with boxers again in 2017. Rudenko went the distance. Hammer went the distance. Price nearly stopped him in three, before Joshua got him.

On most boards, Povetkin is 'Big Baby' Miller with a WBA 'Regular' belt, essentially. This board has a soft spot for him, though.

But Miller KOs Charr and Whyte, too.

Povetkin is a guy whose 'natural' peak probably ended around the time of the Huck and Rahman fights in 2012, and he got a "new body' and went another eight or nine years with the help of PEDs.

Russia was banned from the Olympics in 2016 for state-sponsored PED use. They made an entire film on it (Icarus) than won an Oscar. Povetkin stood on stage with Putin in 2016 when Putin decried the Olympic ban.

 

Duhuapas is the same guy who lost to Pianeta and Teper, so Wilder beating him (by your own logic) is not a big achievement. Redbeard has an obsession with pushing the weak narrative ‘this fighter stopped x fighter quicker than y fighter therefore x beats y’. Styles and (as you highlight) contexts matter. Just because Wilder went 9 rounds with Molina and looked poor while Joshua smoked him in 3 does not mean Wilder loses to AJ for example.

Anyway on your points on Povetkin, he was a drugs cheat who is objectively overrated. He never separated himself from guys like Whyte, Parker, Pulev etc. Still a solid fighter who beat some good opponents.

 

When did I say beating Duhaupas was a big achievement? You were talking about how quickly Povetkin stopped Duhaupas and, AGAIN, I just stated what actually was happening.

Povetkin failed his drug test for a muscle building PED, and his original fight was cancelled, and Duhaupas flew in from France on 24 hours notice and took the payday in Russia.

Povetkin was a top contender and got dropped from all the ratings for a time after that. Ring even removed him from their ratings for a period.

It was a scandal. That fight never should've happened.

 

https://ringside24.com/media/cache/72/55/72552c8d21c234b7f1c7053c3ac7d6e1.jpg

Duhuapas took the fight on 24 hrs notice lol. . He didn't even have time to get a pair of boxing boots

 

Not disagreeing with your assessment at all firstly. I was simply highlighting how certain arguments when it comes to head to head fighters are weak and make no sense.

 

LOL. Look at that ripped and juiced Povetkin against Duhaupas and look at him against Huck.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/wp-content/uploads/huck453.jpg

Nothing to see here. Move along.