Povetkin Pumpers: You've got some 'splainin' to do

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  1. BoJangles

    BoJangles Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    TL/DR

    WBA-Regular was not a highly regarded belt, and still Povetkins first few defenses absolutely destroy anything on Wilders resume. The WBC belt is one of the most coveted in boxing, the WBA-Regular is regarded as a joke by most fans. These first two defenses have been pathetic, and Wilder struggled more than he was supposed to, a true world class heavy destroys this fraud.
     
  3. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Povetkin's win against Chagaev appears to mean more than Wilder's win vrs Stiverne. Sure Stiverne was champ but only via wins vrs Arreola who is now, not much later, regarded as a gatekeeper.

    Povetkin's WBA title wasn't a real heavyweight title so idk how we can call it a "title reign".

    Povetkin has had some bad nights but he would have been a heavyweight titleist if the Klitschko Bros hadn't been around. Wilder's WBC title is Povetkin's last real shot at a title and opens up a shot at an older version of Wlad.
     
  4. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let's put it this way: Wilder's next possible title challenger, Wawrzyk, is not among the top10 opponents of Povetkin.
     
  5. VBOX

    VBOX JOURNEYMAN Full Member

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    That was then and this is now though. At the moment Wilder's management are recruiting at soup kitchens.
     
  6. Daft P

    Daft P Active Member Full Member

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    I would go further: Wlad Klitschko defended against Derrick Jefferson, who was coming off two consecutive KO losses, and Charles Shufford, who was really a nobody, after capturing the title against Byrd. This is I think maybe worse than Molina and Duhaupas.

    Haye defended the WBA against John Ruiz and Harrison - none of them was anywhere close to the top 15 at the time.

    Wilder has to step up know, let's wait until the Povetkin fight. I think he will lose, but I would not be surprised to see the contrary outcome.
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Povetkin's record ****s all over Wilder's. He's got victories over Chris Byrd, Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev, Marco Huck. Those are good names. And his last couple fights against Charr, Takam, and Perez were all good fights against highly rated contenders. Any one of the last three is as good as Stiverne, and the four prior are better. Plus, he might have lost, but at least he fought Wlad Klitschko, the legit champ of the heavyweight division.
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Yeah, but right after that he fought Botha, McCline, and Sanders who were good fighters at the time. I don't get the feeling from Wilder that he's suddenly going to change his stripes and step up his competition like that. He's a little too happy facing bums.
     
  9. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As soon as Wilder-Povetkin gets made, Povetkin will instantly become shot and overrated. :thumbsup
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    This.

    Plus Pov fought a bunch of guys on or well above their level before he ever "became champion."
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Povetkin has a great resume top to bottom. Much better than your average top 5 ranked/division type of fighter. And that's in the poor division of HW which is impressive for those who question his willingness and opposition because he's amassed a high quantity of good opponents with limited quality opponents to pick from.
     
  12. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Povetkin isn't a champion. The belt he's holding it's only a paper one, the real title is held by Wladshko, anyone knows that.

    And most importantly, he has actually fought Wlad, unlike Beyoncè Wildest that is avoiding him like he owed him moneys.

    Povetkin has also tried to fight Beyoncè, but Beyoncè is scared.
     
  13. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which is exactly what you and OP are claiming, so there's nothing wrong in that :deal
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Haha.

    Looks like they shot themselves in the foot.
     
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So he's got victories over a super middleweight, two cruisers and a guy Duhaupas beat (Charr).

    I agree he's on a bit of a run now and deserves the No. 1 ranking. I don't think he's overrated at all.

    My point is that when Povetkin or Ruslan have done the exact same thing in their title defenses when they've held the WBA belt, no one seemed keen on criticizing the way they have Wilder. Seems rather odd ... as if the keyboard kowboys have different standards.

    I mean, there are people in this thread criticizing Wilder for defending against Wawrzjk -- who he hasn't even fought ... but Povetkid actually DID use one of his defenses to fight the Pole.

    And some other yahoo keeps going on about the amateurs. Whatever.

    Should Povetkin beat Wilder, what makes anyone think he's going to step up to defend against top challengers instead of doing the same thing we know he did before?