Povetkin: Stiverne wanted a way out....

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  1. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    they havnt taken it after it was banned, as i just pointed out wada banned it without having any idea of its excretion times which caused so many positive results. A move i feel was politically motivated in order to creat stories about russian drugs cheats when they had already stopped taken the drug. WADA acted reckelssly and with dishonesty and then retracted almost all of it after the damage was done.

    tons of the woman runners were caught too. The russians weren't caught anymore if you exclude the bs meldonium cases, also the likes of kenya and jamiaca benefit from not getitng tested as much
     
  2. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    no its the case itself, im not even a big povetkin fan

    the meldonium case was unfair in general and he got screwed, so maybe il be willing to give him more of a chance after he got shafted

    browne is such a limited slugger, ex nightclub door man who boxes, seems a nice guy but both cases weren't without substance so i don't believe him now, while i see this as povetkins first real doping case

    sturm was caught by the german authorities , they love sturm. You can bet your life that if this wasn't true it would never have came out at all.
     
  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you think Meldonium is the only drugs the Russian athletes take your being very naive.

    They do get tested but their tests are covered up by their national federation but you pretend that no other athletes apart from the Russian athletes get busted when really alot of of countries get busted.

    It's just in the case of Russia the cheating was state wide and so systemic with the manner in which so many members of the country's athletic community was involved they had to be made an example of similar to the American toure de France team.

    Go on YouTube there's an interesting documentary with a Russians couple who are part of the Russian athletic circuit but left and became whistle blowers.
     
  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I personally think Povetkin is a cheat especially after the dramatichange in his appearance and power, couple which alone are not enough to reach that conclusion but add that with the drug test failures and all the signs are there.

    Sturm is a cheat and so is Browne in my eyes. Sturm is worst thoug because not only did he use drugs to fight chudinov he lost and still had him robbed him on the card.
     
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  5. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    i can appreciate that but i really question the timing of all this, we are in an era of neo mccarthyism and the new cold war, all this only started happening when negaitve russian politics became an issue

    i believe that china probably have the most vast government sponsored doping programme the world has ever seen but their athletes never get done, its because they are the biggest power in the world and everyone is afraid of them

    sports are corrupted by politics and i don't think thats right at all
     
  6. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    he's body actually has changed very little tbh, and he wasn't the most dedicated before the wlad fight, i think that beatdown gave him the hunger

    i agree with you on browne and sturm, never liked sturm after he robbed macklin
     
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  7. Manfred

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    I hear you, is it the fact that it does it or is it how it does it because soda pop and coffee are diuretics also.Are they a banned substance?
     
  8. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Chinese only excel in gymnastics and table tennis, just like the Jamaicans excel in sprinting and the Kenyans long distance.

    Russia, America and Britain are powerful in most of the events so they are the most likely to be spending huge amounts in doping.

    The whole Olympics is corrupt you only have to see all the medical exemptions given to all the top American and British athletes to see how dodgy it all is. I agree Russia do get picked on but they are the biggest cheats alongside America.
     
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  9. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    the chinese excel in diving,weightlifting and have done incresingly well in swimming too.

    oh ya like the williams sisters and the the chris froomes of the world. its a joke man you are right

    all i want it fairness, these witchhunts and finger pointing are complete virtue signalling bollocks

    like that travis tygart head of usada going all over the world roaring about how russia should be banned from the olympics, when he's company allow mayweather to take illegal ivs, hid he's drug test results and when **** hits the fan they will just come out and say he did nothing wrong at all. these guys are bought and paid for puppets and hypocrites
     
  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough I didn't pay attention to those sports but you have to admit America, Britain and Russia dominate more sports in the olympics.

    Usada is absolute joke no doubt, but so is Rusada or whatever it's called. I personally think Vada should be given responsibility of handling things and they should be watched carefully to make sure they too don't become corrupt .
     
  11. gmurphy

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    i think the olypmics is pretty spread out to be fair, china are up their

    id agree i think vada could do a good job but yes they would need to be watched carefully to encure they arent corrupted.
     
  12. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I retract my statement you were right China do perform well lookIng at the medal count, America dominates big time however.
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    There's a difference between "doing nothing wrong" and "unable to prove he did wrong".
     
  14. chitownfightfan

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    The extent at which they cause increase the kidney function.

    Caffeine is a stimulant as you say, and can increase metabolism, but at a cost. The amount needed to flush the system as well as opposed to say, Turesomide or even Pamabron would be so much that it might cause a heart attack to the person ingesting the caffeine.
     
  15. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Thats because they juice the most..

    Problem is that their technology is too far head of the poorly funded testing agencies so many get away with it..