Povetkin: Stiverne wanted a way out....

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  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How can you be sure none of them are still taking it and all the positive results are due to residual amounts? That's the assumptions you have made because it supports your narrative.

    I don't care how much he had in his blood if he took it which he did he should be banned. the only reason I can think of that you would say you are gunna wait for the results is ignored your saying Vada have contaminated his results.
     
  2. gmurphy

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    well the reason we can't fully prove that is because wada acted completely recklessly and with huge xenophobic bias in the first place

    you also can't prove that they are still taken it at all, and if you can't prove something you can't be guilty of it can you, so by assuming and suggesting they might be guilty is unfair. you should direct this anger at wada for making such there stupidity in the first place.

    also povetkin got caught with nanograms, literally nothing, thats trace amounts, if he was still taken the stuff into 2016 he would have had way higher levels in he's system as many have alreafy pointed out, meldonium can take ages to leave your system.

    then the next argument some have suggest is that fighters are microdosing meldonium. this is utter stupidity, why would you microdose a drug that even if it has performance enhancing effects they are very very minimal, you could easily jsut switch to the legal western version in l-cartinine. what person in there right mind would micro dose meldonium ,when you could actually take an effective steroid that will leave your body a hell of a lot quicker?

    this idea that they were continuing to use meldonium into 2016 doesn't hold up



    im not saying anyone contaminated the results, but we dont even know if the b sample has been tested, or if an independent lab were also carrying out the testing
     
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  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I could go back and forth with you about meldonium but honestly I don't care about that drug like I stated a long time ago.

    My main problem is he tested for ostarine. independent lab was used to carry testing? Even then you would have to say Vada used an independent lab which contaminated his result. The way I see itVada has proven to be one if not the most reliable and least corrupt drug testers in the sport so if someone comes up dirty my first response is they are most likely using not let's find out if Vada has done something wrong.
     
  4. gmurphy

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    yes im not sure on this but i think a swiss lab was also doing testing .

    i do think vada is very reliable but at the end of the day its a private american company and as i said before ostarine on face value is a lot more damning

    id personally like to see a country like switzerland which is completely nuetral handle all of boxings drug testing
     
  5. jmashyaka

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    So what if its a private american company they caught stiverne to didn't they?

    I dont need to see no b samples or independent lab results the guy is a cheat, when it was Browne I said the same thing, if stiverne had been caught with ostarine I would have blasted him too.

    What makes it worse with povetkin the guy had the cheek to fight a guy on one day notice juiced up, I know duhaupas is not the smartest for getting in there with a guy you know is juicing but that fight added injury to insult.
     
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    yes but then a private mexican company left stiverne off with it. they came to a decision in a day or two to leave him of, the same company took 6 months to sort out the meldonium case even though povetkin didn't even break wada protocol. you can see the bias here

    ya i didn't particularly like the fight going ahead, but then again tons of fighters had no problem fighting opponents and seriously hurting them while on the juice, eg mosley, jones jr, holyfield,kid galahad, ortiz etc
     
  7. jmashyaka

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    There's no bias from what I can see it was Povetkins people that gave Stiverne the go ahead, the WBC penalised for the failed drug test.

    Yeah and these guys are scumbags and whilst I believe Holyfield was juiced up I don't think he was ever caught.
     
  8. jmashyaka

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    Nevertheless none of them did is as bad Povetkin by giving there opponent one days notice.
     
  9. gmurphy

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    he wasnt caught because he wasn't tested properly

    im saying the bias was between how they handled stivernes positive test and povetkins meldonium test.

    the stiverne issue was sorted out in two days and the bought he's excuse no questions asked, but for povetkin even though he didn't break vada's rules, it took the wbc 6 months to investigate it,, the fight was canceled and he had new rules put in place for him

    no one could say he was treated fairly when you look at how they treated stiverne
     
  10. jmashyaka

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    The fight was cancelled because deontay didn't want to continue without and I don't blame him now considering this guy is on ostarine. Whereas the Stiverne one continued because Povetkins people did want to carry on with it, probably coz they knew they were on ostarine.
     
  11. Kevin Willis

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    What a repulsive witch hunt presided over by some of the most bigoted hypocritical, agenda laden trash I have encountered. No matter how much information you provide on the subject they just cobble together specious B.S. then move the goal posts, focusing more minutia when they cannot keep up.

    Jmashyaka is trash and a bigot who broad brushes all Slavic fighters as slow plodders and now he is broad brushing them all as drug cheats. These fighters are so threatening to so many that an entire industry has arisen to discredit them collectively and it is fronted by SjW's who claim to be humanitarians but are in fact disseminating a toxic, destructive agenda.
     
  12. Scar

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    Seriously now, Povetkin is a straight-up low life. This is the second time he's calling his opponents cowards for refusing to fight him even after he's caught cheating. Guess there's no room for brain cells when you're overly jacked with roids.
     
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  13. gmurphy

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    continue what without? so wada don't make up the rules, wilder does? that makes no sense, you are saying wilder has more authority than vada,wada and the wbc

    even when wada rules state povetkin didnt do anything wrong ,wilder has the final say? thats insane
     
  14. Kevin Willis

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    Why are you wasting your time with that guy? You will never convince him otherwise or even get him too look past his own warped reality he has created and chosen to reside in.
     
  15. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What are you talking about looool I think your mentally ill.

    Tell me one time where I have branded all Slavic fighters as cheaters? Or even branded them all as plodders, just because I said Beterbiev and shabranksy are plodders that means they all are too you?
    Usyk, Gvozdyk, Bivol, Loma are far from plodders matter fact Usyk and Loma are two of the best movers in the game.