Povetkin: Stiverne wanted a way out....

you can easily look it up, you write line after line of repetative rubbish to hid the fact that you have excluded that 1 mg of meldonium was allowed and povetkin broke no rules.

as they have said limited reseach on meldonium best they have so far are case studies and some have proven that it can stay there for up to 8 years, given that it is fat soluble and stored in fat this is easy to understand.

keep pushing your false narrative and ruining boxing fanboy

 

Interesting stuff chitown. Educational more importantly.

 

Meldonium is one of many drugs known to pass into the bone marrow, which in some case, NOT ALL by any means, could take up to 8 yrs to be completely removed.
Methadone, a drug given to heroin junkies to keep them from robbing gas stations when they get dope sick, will show up in a hair test 7 yrs after it's last use.
Urine and blood....not so sure.

 

this is a very valid point, the fact that meldonium binds to fat cells and can be released when the fat cell is burned could have also contributed to this

 

i wouldn't mind pat too much, he is a wilder fanboy and is pushing he's lies and false narrative to defame povetkin and get wilder off the hook for legging it

we will see what happens with this positive test, il be waiting until all the facts come out to make a judgement, unlike the wbc, and fanboys on here

 

I understand the concept quite well, although I admit the political references are puzzling to me.

What you're talking about is a good dodge -- "Well, it's POSSIBLE that he sweated a lot that day, etc." It's simply an "it could have happened this way" explanation.

But he also COULD have ingested it between one test and another.

You may know more about these things than me, you may be a physiologist or a chemist or a professor with a lot of degrees in urinology or whatever that field is called. But from what I've read, different substances have different densities and properties -- which is to say, you'd need to drink a whole lot more vinegar or cranberry juice or whatnot to "water down" a level of marijuana in the system than you would cocaine, which dilutes much more quickly and leaves lower level of trace amounts (or maybe you just need to take less of it to get high because it's more potent).

I'm unaware of any scientific studies on meldonium which tell us how much water/cranberry juice/vinegar one must drink to dilute it below a detectable level. You can be assured that drug cheats have done the tests to see how best to flush stuff, but that they haven't submitted their results for review by the New England Journal of Medicine. More profitable to pass that info along the drug-cheat underground.

What is indisputable is that it wasn't detected in his system on one test and was on the next.

You can suppose he worked out harder, but it's at least as plausible that he worked harder on the day of the passed test and then ingested it and got popped.

And regardless of how it got there, if a person has banned substance in his system WADA and EVERY OTHER DRUG TESTING AGENCY consider an athlete to be responsible for what is in their body. They are charged with the responsibility of keeping clean, just as they are charged with the responsibility of working out and preparing for competition.

 

If it is so easy to look up, you'd have provided a link to scientific studies rather than post pages of what you say is out there.

Again, post ONE LINK to WADA saying any level above zero is OK for an athlete to ingest after Jan. 1, 2016. One link. It's out there, you say, so take 10 seconds and provide it.

And post ONE LINK to a scientific study conducted over an 8-year period that proves that meldonium can stay in the system for that long AND BE DETECTABLE BY A STANDARD urine/blood test.

You haven't done it because you cannot do it. And you cannot do it because these things do not exist.

 

You really couldn't make this up, considering what happened with the Wilder fight.
The Russians are becoming a scourge of world sport.

 

yes because povetkin was micro dosing meldonium( a drug who performance enhancing benefits aren't conclusive and which other people say there are plenty of legal supplements which do a way better job) in the run up to a fight while being tested.

do you have any idea how stupid that sounds ffs? its beyond belief that you even think this was possible

 

Supposition.

I'm asking for a scientific study that establishes that it has been proven to be in someone's system 8 years later.

Methodone has studies that prove that. Meldonium doesn't.

 

huh shouldn't you be asking the real question here, because are touching on the real issue

why did wada ban a drug on which they had no idea what the excretion time for the drug was? thats right corruption..

 

To be perfectly honest, Im starting to forgive Wilder's early misdeeds when he tried cheating that hooker and choked her out. Cost him an undisclosed amount, 250K was paid to an unknown person in a legal settlement, by Haymon mgmt , a week prior to Wilders court date, and the charges were dismissed.

That said...he's got some good skills, insane power, and is a fan friendly fighter known for being aggressive and wild at times, and that makes for exciting fights.

Of ALL.....and I mean ALL the top 20 HWs, I'd say Potvekin, Haye, Teper and Ruiz Jr would be his biggest threats and Vitali Klitschko would likely beat him 70/30, while the aforementioned contenders would all be 50/50 due to range.

I think Potvetkin is kryptonite to Wilder, but if he keeps his emotions in check, and mixes his power up, fights smart, ie staying out of Potvetkins range, making Potvetkin chase him, then tying him up inside ala Wlad....I see Wilder winning.

If Wilder tries to make it a shoot out....his chances drop considerably, and if he fights overly cautious...even moreso.

But yeah.....pushing the doping thing without concrete evidence is one off.
Bute was cleared b/c Ostarine is being snuck into OTC supplement packs/drinks.
Meldonium is a heart med allowing smoother flow of blood, not in the slightest a ped. Aspirin in proper dosages could give the same effect with proper diet.

I just want to see when and how Potvetkin ingested Ostarine before I find him guilty and decide which side Im on in that regard.

 

Your own argument defeats you.

Povetkin and Ryabiny ADMIT that he had taken meldonium. They claim he took it in 2015.

So why did he take it? He took it in the run-up to his last fight in 2015 by their own admission (look at the timeline of when they say he took it and when he fought). So we KNOW by their own ADMISSION that he has taken it while training for a fight.

If it makes no sense, why did he do it then? And if they thought it beneficial then, why is it some huge leap of logic that he would do so for another fight?

And why has he now failed yet another test for yet another banned substance?

 

It hasnt been released to the USFDA for trials. The manufacturer isnt simply going to GIVE his patent away and allow the US big pharma corporations to steal billions.
Let one of them buy it from it's creator, and then we'll be able to study it.

 

thats what i hate about the american legal system ,too easy to buy people off, in the uk the police press the charges not the individual once the evidence is found, so unless you can buy off the police you are going to jail. Stops rich people being avoid the law

i agree too, the fanboys roaring for bans and about peds are always the least informed about the issue, we will wait and see until it all comes out

only thing proven at this stage is the wbc acted disgracfully and that wilder is a xenophobic bigot