Povetkin V the 50's Contenders?

He barely beat Marco Huck.
His best win is a decision against Eddie Chambers, or a stoppage of a past prime Byrd.

I doubt he'd beat the likes of Moore, Folley, Machen, Patterson, Charles and Walcott ... ALL of those guys ??
Nevermind Marciano, Liston.

old Joe Louis might well outpoint him.

 

No I can't see Povetkin beating jimmy young

 

I'm not at all sure Povetkin beats Walcott , Charles , folley or machen either

 

Povetkin is more than the sum of his parts. He has old school hart and girt like Marciano had. Rocky hit harder, but Povetkin ( who has good power ) has more skills. Chins look to be about even. In the 50's he'd be a giant with 30 to 40 pound advantage on most...with a power and durability edge as well. Too much for Charles, Moore and company to over come even if they were greater in a pound for pound sense.

If not for Wlad, Povetkin is likely a tenured champion.

Povetkin could give Sonny Liston a heart check, or out box Marciano in a tough fight. I'd favor Liston. Marciano looks to be an even type of match up. That fight would be a war.

IMO Povetkin would defeat the rest. I'm sure someone will mention the Huck fight. Probably Povetkin's worst effort, but he won it.

Okay, name your man and I'll show you a bigger upset loss outside of Marciano who had none.

 

Agreed. He's a very good fighter but its hard to call him the true WBA champion when Wlad has already beaten the previous holders of that belt how many times? As far as I'm concerned he's been the best "contender" of the division for the past 5 years or so, but probably no more than that. As for one person's claim that he might one day be a hall of fame inductee, I agree that this is attainable but only because it doesn't seem to take much to get in there these days. With only 30 fights under his belt after a 10 year career he still has a bit of work to do and he's already pushing 36 years of age. If he can beat someone like wilder plus a few others and retire with somewhere around 35-1, then he may just squeak in.

 

Many today have a very distorted view of what great fighting ability is all about. Not sure where this comes from.

 

I think Roman Gonzalez is the best fly weight I ever saw in my lifetime, but I think he's going to lose if he's fighting a top ranked guy 30 pounds north of 112 pounds. Let's say he was matched vs. welterweights in Khan, or Thurman.... he’s going to lose Perry.

In a similar fashion the average sized contender or champion in the 1950's is about 190 pounds. Matching them vs. highly ranked 220-230 pound men ( 30-40 pound disadvantage) is not going to go well if the larger man has better durability and the better punch. Povetkin has good skills, in addition to a height and reach edge vs. most in the 1950’s. And many of the 1950’s types were Ko’d by far lesser punchers then Povetkin.

Its real easy to be honest and say Charles has better pound for pound skills, but he would not likely defeat Povetkin. You can say great fighting, but don’t forget physics and the reason why Boxing has weight classes.

PS: I think Walcott at his best could out point Povetkin because he had an almost unique set of skills in terms of defense, footwork, feinting ability, and more size than most of the time.

 

I will write this again. Any reputable trainer knows this as fact. Weight divisions were developed for the lower weights where five pounds can mean something. What you just wrote is a completely meaningless comparison.

For the most part the hwt division today is comprised of the worst bunch of pretenders Ihave ever seen in my 56 years. No one evens knows how to throw a left hook properly as just one example. The three fighters mentioned in the three threads vs 50s hwts are very unimpressive. Low skilled ponderous hwts.

 

I kind of agree with what you say, Perry.
I mean, I'm watching the current WBC heavyweight champion and actually sure that I could give him some tips on boxing, there's something wrong. Not just noting strategic errors but actually seeing that he hasn't ever learned some of the most basic stuff. And I'm no trainer by any means.

 

Heresy.

Watt would be crushed by those old 230 pound battleships.

 

Perry,

Which trainer said this? Names please. We are not talking about 5 pounds; we are talking about 30-40 pounds, which is a 3-weight class jump or more.

The examples of fighters moving up from light heavyweight champion to heavyweight champion is very rare, and outside of Roy Jones wining a fragment alphabet belt ( Not lineal or Ring Magazine champion ), has not been done in your life time. If 15 pounds meant little, you see this more often. Why haven't we then?

In a similar fashion you just don’t see a welterweight champion claiming a lineal light heavyweight champions belt. How many can you name Perry?

Don’t tell me 30-40 pound weight advantage when both fighters are in shape and at the top 1-3 level in their weight classes does not matter. It clearly does.

 

Povetkin is the real deal. Only Marciano and Liston beat him for sure

Povetkin vs prime Charles and Walcott would be wars!

 

thse fatboys would easily be outgassed by guys who trained to last 15 rounds or more.

 

It is a gross generalization to say that all modern heavys are fat and deconditioned and that all fighters pre-1990's were prepared to go 15 rounds. The truth is that few fighters went 15 rounds. Most of those bouts were title fights which some guys never got a chance to fight in, didn't last the distance when they did or MAYBE went 15 rounds once or twice in a career. Chuck Wepner made it to the 15th round with the greatest heavyweight of all time.. Does Chuck Wepner beat Povetkin too?

 

what the gross generalisation is, is to include chuck wepner in the argument instead of comparing like4like.

basically you are asking if fraudley beats ali. you need to ask the right questions, not the stupidly wrong ones.