Povetkin V the 50's Contenders?

You haven't factored in any of the following:

grit
gumption
chutzpah
s****pyness


Reformulate your rankings.

 

I don't know how he managed to beat Charles, but he wasn't very good. He was a sloppy tall guy who couldn't fight tall. Povetkin would beat him every time. There's a big gap in technical skill between them.

 

The rare fight Charles showed up out of shape, he gased out trying to finish a hurt Valdes off in the second round.

Valdes reportedly pushed him into the ropes and smothered him rest of fight.

 

Charles also was past his best.

 

Skill level of today's hwts is horrid. Leads back to trainers who are horrid. Amazed at times fans who think otherwise but more than likely the fans are horrid also. All they are left with is to speak in awe of height, reach and weight. No one understands the concept of great fighting ability anymore. The state of the game is so heavily watered down which has in turn watered down the fan base understanding of the game.

The question was asked whether size was thought of as a huge plus in the hwt division by the great trainers. The answer is that many of the greatest trainers would laugh at the entire premise. These would include Dundee, Atlas and Arcel. Being cut, being heavy, being able to lift a heavy weight, big muscles.... None of this means you can fight. Usually it means you cant fight as long and as fast as smaller more nimble hwts.

 

There's a great place for what the old timers and fans like yourself valued.

It's called the Cruiserweight division. Though they only occasionally rise to being the best heavyweight H2H, they are more aesthetically pleasing on film and the best can routinely become heavyweight contenders.

 

It seems to me too many excuses are being made here. Charles was a great champion, he doesn't need excuses. I think Charles being out of shape is overblown. I think the real reason Charles got tired was because he never fought a world class fighter before as big and young as Valdes, Valdes size and youth wore down Charles. I think stylistically Valdes had the edge to beat Charles at that point in his career. He beat him pretty convincingly, I think a lot of credit should be given to Valdes here. The only other world class heavyweight Charles fought near the size of Valdes was 218lb joe Louis. Louis was very skilled, but didn't have the stamina energy to crowd Charles and set the pace

 

Great video. Maybe the most underrated left hooker in the game, ey?

In an era that doesn't contain Klitschko, Povetkin is a champion, and likely a quality one at that. For me, there is Kltschko, then Povetkin, and then everyone else. Personally, I think he stops most heavyweights from the 50's. I'd probably favor Liston and Marciano over him.

 

Charles was, but a year later Charles almost beat a prime Rocky Marciano, took him 15 life or death rounds. So Charles was still a very good fighter in 1953. Give him full credit.

Who cares if Valdes didn't fight tall? Neither did Bowe. Valdes was very effective with his style. He had a terrific left jab, powerful right hand, and he was so big and strong he would maul guys on the inside. Dangerous fighter,

 

Or Rocky barely beat a past it fighter.

I'm no fan of Bowe, but I'm not even gonna say it....come on.

What's Nino's win percentage against credible fighters? It's gotta be down there with Purrity and Jesse Ferguson.

 

I think the reports of Charles poor shape are sincere.

210 lb 26 year old Baksi had 32 lbs on Charles and tried the same mauling approach. Charles was just in shape and able to punch him all night and force his only career stoppage.

I know better, man.

Valdes deserves credit, he survived a Charles beating and out hustled him to a rare loss. But you are over blowing the win. Charles had bad nights and still won, but Valdes wasnt a guy he could have a bad night against. So credit but at a measured dose.

 

Charles may have had an off night. When you fight over 120 bouts you have to give a guy a break now and then don't you think?

 

I would say an off night against the wrong guy and wrong place. Reports say Charles was not in top shape and gassed in the Miami heat. Valdes being a big durable swarmer was a bad match up.

 

Again give the guy a break. We have no idea what other factors were involved. No one can make any claim regarding Charles because of one fight on one night.

 

I am giving him a break, he reportedly couldn't get in shape for this fight.