I'd strongly favour Povetkin in the following fights: Botha Akinwande Ruddock Rahman Grant Golota I'd slightly favour and give the edge to Povetkin against: Morrison Bruno Briggs Mccall I slightly favour Povetkin to lose against: Mercer Tua I strongly favour Povetkin to lose to: Hollyfield Tyson Vitali
Poventin was never champion, but is finally getting his due. If he was a few years younger, he would have beaten Joshua. He probably wins the majority of these matches losing 2-3 times. - 1992 version of Donovan Ruddock - old Tony Tucker - Phil Jackson - Frank Bruno - Oliver McCall - Tommy Morrison - Ray Mercer - Henry Akinwande - Andrew Golota - Shannon Briggs - Zeljko Mavrovic - old Holyfield (and better prepared old Holyfield in the rematch) - Michael Grant - Francois Botha - David Tua - prime Hasim Rahman (Povetkin demolished shot version) - shot Mike Tyson - Vitali
We are talking about the Tyson and Holyfield who fought Lewis here? Tyson was DONE. Holyfield slightly past his best and could be outworked. I would not strongly favor Povektin to lose to either.
Tyson certianly in decline but i think don't he was " done" as he was against Williams. Neither was Hollyfield who showed that in both LL fights in my opinion.
That’s ok. I thought he lost. Either way, that fight, much as the Chambers fight, is indicative of his level in that he barely managed to eke out wins, both of which could have easily gone against him. He’s on par or a bit better than those guys, sure. That’s still a guy who loses to a handful of guys on the list above. i think he’s being overrated at the moment, based on blasting out Whyte. Much as he was underrated after his losses.
- 1992 version of Donovan Ruddock - old Tony Tucker - Phil Jackson - Frank Bruno - Oliver McCall - Tommy Morrison - Ray Mercer - Henry Akinwande - Andrew Golota - Shannon Briggs - Zeljko Mavrovic - old Holyfield (and better prepared old Holyfield in the rematch) - Michael Grant - Francois Botha - David Tua - prime Hasim Rahman (Povetkin demolished shot version) - shot Mike Tyson - Vitali Beats em all except Vitali, Holyfield and maybe Tua (50/50)
So thread is about prime Povetkin. A.J had in the ring Povetkin when he was over the hill. Yeah, he had won his previous fights before this fight but this already wasn't prime Povetkin despite he had won vs these 3 boxers. If for Povetkins opponents I gave more credit to 209 lbs Huck who had lost on cards close fight vs 32 y.o 225 lbs Povetkin. He had in the ring Povetkin with good legs. Lad didn't had won but he was not bad vs larger, not old opponent, touted former amateur world level superstar and undefeated professional boxer. Lost fight not rarerly gets from me more credit than fight that boxer had won. Ruiz II fight is thing where I gave big credit to A.J for this game. Not Pulev or Povetkin or old Klit fight. Btw I think A.J had improved recently.
I think you rate Povetkin from his old over the hill versions. Povetkin in his prime had lost only vs Wlad and only hardcore dreamers might think that A.J had in the ring prime Povetkin. Also Povetkin's amateur resume is way better than A.J resume. Ppl might argue that ammy is pillow fisted point fighting but Pov wasn't like this. When you will compete at world elite level 20 years in row, when you will be 37 you most likely will be over the hill. I do not do with Moore resume comments like " overrated " just because he was too small for his opponents and continued to fight when he was over the hill. People are doing mistakes and one from them is continue to fight when you are over the hill.
Are you talking about prime PED cheat Povetkin? No doubt Povetkin boxing ability was high level. Wlads victory over Povetkin was a dirty display of boxing and with another ref Wlad could have lost many points or a DQ. Povetkin could have been the champ. We all know Povetkin was not prime against AJ. Fact is AJ was not prime against Povetkin, 21 professional fights, he was still learning. We will never know if prime AJ would have beat prime Povetkin. That fight never happened.
Olympic Gold medalist, undefeated in professional boxing wasn't in his prime after get 21-0-0 pro record? I do not believe in this. Boxer then usually is enough experienced and high level specialist in his craft. A lot of champs, Oly Gold medalists were in their prime after lesser ammount of pro fights. I agree that at least 10 pro fights are needed if you are Oly Champ, if not amateur superstar, maybe some 2-7 years in pro ranks should had been spent. You had saw Ward, DLH when they had 21 pro fight under belt? Or Usyk after 9 pro fights under his belt. Ali or Foreman, Frazier after 21 pro fight under belt? Lewis after 21 pro fights under belt?
I do not talk about PEDs or other kind of entertainment, priorities over boxing many western boxers had during their career. I'm forgiving and do not wash a lot of boxer's past career. For example xx surnames. If he is allowed to fight, this is commission's problem not my problem. Boxer should beat prime opponents close with them in rankings in good shape to entertain people.
