Povetkin's trainer says Huck cheated, Atlas is a "self-promoter"

Michael Moorer spent several years with Manny Steward at the Kronk gym. During that time he developed into a good fighter. Moorer declined during the time he worked with the unstable Teddy.

Povetkin was an Olympic gold medal winner and impressed me in his fights BEFORE Teddy. Like Moorer, he declined during the time he worked with Teddy. Hower, he has an excellent trainer now, and will soon be back to his top form.

Teddy was never Tyson's trainer. He was just a water boy and ASSISTANT to Tyson's trainer Cus D'Amato, who had hired him out of pity and tried to help him. But after Teddy went psycho and held a gun to Tyson's head, Cus had no choice other than to fire him.

Does Teddy remind you of Ephialtes character in the movie 300 ?

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How much credit do you want to give Atlas?

Atlas trained Tyson briefly.
D'Amato, and Kevin Rooney trained Tyson to become "Iron Mike." Rooney took Tyson from late amateur all the way through his Pro career until Spinks. Even after D'Amato was gone.



Moorer: Already great before meeting Atlas. Arguably got lucky with Evander's health condition at the time.
Give more credit to [url]Emanuel Steward[/url] and the

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training.

Povetkin: Already a Gold Medalist. Already established as a Pro HW. And it's not like Povetkin beat one of the Klitschkos to win a World Title and if that is an elite performance, we need to discuss the definition of "elite." I don't think Atlas wasn't ever going to stick around for a Klitschko fight. He found his way out.

He did however train Briggs as well as a Pro. But Briggs also had issues with Atlas.

 

Shannon Briggs: “Teddy Atlas Was the Ultimate Control Freak … He Betrayed Me!

By Johnny Walker




Boxing commentator and trainer Teddy Atlas is not exactly Mr. Popularity with many American fighters these days.

After recently guiding Russian heavyweight Alexander Povetkin to a paper WBA world heavyweight title (the rightful champion there is “super champ” Wladimir Klitschko), Atlas has found himself taking fire from some American heavyweights who aren’t impressed with what they see as his hypocrisy and his bizarre, manipulative ways.

In a recent interview with Boxing Insider, veteran American heavyweight Monte “Two Gunz” Barrett lambasted Atlas as a “big hypocrite” for apparently choosing to have his new Russian champion fight very faded past champs like Evander Holyfield and Hasim Rahman, rather than take on a man such as himself, a still viable fighter who recently scored an impressive win over a tough foe in David Tua.
“He’s a hypocrite–Teddy Atlas is a hypocrite when it comes to his fighters. He doesn’t preach what he teach,” said Barrett.

Now, another American heavyweight veteran, Shannon Briggs, has published an expose on Atlas on his blog featured in the online edition of Boxing News.
Briggs calls Atlas “the ultimate control freak,” and describes some of the very eccentric behavior that the trainer would engage in. “One of the craziest things he ever said to me was, ‘When you’re in the ring, you’re the body and I’m the mind’” says Briggs.
“I’m just the body and he’s the mind? What’s that about?”

Briggs goes on to describe how he was a young and naive fighter when he first hooked up with Teddy Atlas, and says Atlas became a father figure to him (Briggs’s real father was serving a life sentence, and his mother was strung out on drugs). According to Briggs, Atlas was fond of using invasive psychological techniques to try and gain control over his pugilistic pupil.
Atlas, says Briggs, was a fierce disciplinarian who would call him up at odd hours, sometimes in the middle of the night, and tell him to be at the gym the next day at a certain hour, only to arrive himself much later. Atlas would then deny the phone conversation, and cause a long argument, only to later admit, “I was testing you. I was testing you to see if you would break under pressure.”

Briggs also contends that Atlas at one time held undue influence over the boxing press, who often kowtowed to what Teddy wanted to see in print.
“You have to understand, he had a lot of influence over the writers, a lot of the journalists were scared of him,” Briggs writes. “When I was with Teddy, you wouldn’t hear anything bad about Shannon Briggs, I was God, I was the future heavyweight champion of the world. The day after Teddy and I split, every writer wrote that I was the worst fighter to ever walk on the planet.”

Finally, in a story very similar to what has been heard from others– like American heavyweight Michael Grant–who have worked with Atlas, Briggs says that he was left with serious emotional scars from his relationship with the trainer.
When Briggs lost for the first time, Atlas “went on national TV and gave me a hard time,” Briggs recounts.
“I was hurt because at that point, despite everything that I thought he was doing wrong, he was my father figure. He hurt me and I’ve told him that. It took me a long time to recover mentally from all the things that he said and did. I felt anger because I had dedicated four years to him and I felt like I had been betrayed.”

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your post and then mine right after. I didn't see your post until after reviewing the thread and we have the same thoughts.

Except I will say that Teddy was more than just a water-boy even though it was probably meant as an insult. He did train Tyson from a "technical" stand-point. D'Amato did let him train fighters.

Psychologically, and of course the fighting style...All D'Amato. Atlas would have ruined Tyson mentally and would have never gotten out of the amateurs.
After hearing from Tyson how D'Amato continually built him up regardless of his own self-doubt in front of D'Amato, no question how important it was for Tyson to have arrived in Catskill.

Rooney was of course better for Tyson. Although said to be very strict in camp, was a calm voice in the corner who instructed Tyson during the match and in-between rounds. Rooney was also all about Cus Cus Cus. And, you have to respect that he was an actually PRO fighter who went through it and lived the life. So Tyson would have no excuse with questioning what Rooney says when it pertains to experience in the Pro boxing arena.

 

Absolut right.

 

Atlas is a great boxing guy and Povetkin is slowly unraveling under the guidance of shitty Euro trainers.

 

Oh dear lord . . . . . a smelly substance?

that my friends, is the lynx effect :heye