Povtkin has not proved anything since Wlad treated him like a c- class fighter

I wouldn't say without reservation that Charr is worse than Molina. Let's not forget that at the time, Charr was regarded as top 20 and a good opponent for Povetkin's comeback, with only having lost to Vitali Klitschko and since then putting together a couple of decent victories over Saglam, Johnson and Bakhtov.
Molina, on the other hand, was virtually unknown at the time he faced Wilder and was regarded as a joke who was KO'd by Arreola in 1 round.

I'd definitely rank 26-1 Charr, who was still a fringe contender at the time, over 23-2 Molina who was virtually a nobody, not anywhere near any kind of contention.

Mariusz Wach was regarded as a limited, but durable opponent who went 12 rounds Wlad without being near to be stopped. Perhaps you could make a case for both him and Szpilka being better than each other, but it was Wach with legitimate world title fight experience on the biggest level, while Szpilka never even got close to that.

Duhaupas might be better than Charr, but once again, winning an upset MD over Charr and losing UD to Pianeta and Teper doesn't put him much above Charr. Duhaupas also never fought for a world title and was never even close to doing that.

Stiverne's main claim at the time was that he had a belt. Other than that, his best victory was over Arreola who was only really known for being a tough, out of shape journeyman. Takam beat Thompson (top 10 at the time, coming from a victory over top 10 but out of shape Solis) and drew and Perez (clear top 10 at the time). Perez drew with Takam, and beat Mago, who was regarded as a dangerous and decorated prospect at the time. I believe that all those victories are better than beating journeyman Arreola twice which is Stiverne's best victory.

I agreed that all those wins don't mean much if Povetkin and Wilder actually meet in the ring, and I even view Wilder as the favorite, but the credit needs to be given where it's due (not to mention Povetkin's other wins such as Chagaev, Boswell, Chambers, Huck, Byrd etc).

 

Yeah, all he's done is knock out 4 top ten fighters in a row.

 

Same David Price that just got destroyed by Erkan Teper?

 

OMG, so terrible. Teper was not only roided to the gills, but he was a highly rated prospect.

You do know Eric Molina got KO 1'd by Arreola.

 

He also went life and death with Duhapaus.

And sure Arreola sparked Molina, but Arreola was a Stiverne victim. Wilder also fought Molina with a busted right hand. Probably the worst of his four title defenses.

 

If Wilder can't beat povekin he deff isn't beating Joshua and Fury

 

If he has not proved anything, then what the hell did Fury prove before the Wlad fight? Or what does that tell about Wilder's reign who's best title defence is on par with Sasha's latest stay busy fight?

To me It looks like many people are backtracking with Takam and Perez, just like Wilder dictators are doing with Stiverne. Ortiz is now considered a top5 HW with his performance over Jennings, and if you take the first 6 rounds of that fight and compare it to the first 6 rounds of Perez-Jennings fight, you'll see that Ortiz has nothing over Perez aside from the punching power. Both Takam and Perez are top10 scalps, just as much as Stiverne.

And also, Takam's performance against Perez>Jennings' performance against Perez

And It goes without saying that Povetkin's wins over prime Eddie Chambers and Chagaev is head and shoulders above any other HW contender's resume, barring Wlad and including Wilder and Martin.

I said it before, I'll say it again confidently; resume-wise:

Povetkin>Valuev, Haye, Ibragimov, Sam Peter, Chagaev, Pulev

 

povetki is a very good fighter but he was way too small to beat wlad. should beat wilder unless age has caught up with him

 

Well spoken,stallion!

I just would like to add that Wach knocked Hammer out.The same Hammer who was praised as a very decent fighter by T.Fury.

Unlike you I dont view Wilder as the favourite,but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

Arreola has done nothing before or since Stiverne. So yeah, I wouldn't even be trying to tarnish Povetkin's wins because if you look closely at Wilder's, he comes out looking worse.

 

neither has wilder.:deal

 

Wilder's last four opponents would beat Charr??? Hm!:think
I am not that sure about it!Actually,I quite doubt it! Charr has already lost to Duhaupas,but it was a close fight.I for one would favour him over Molina,and he would be no big underdog against Szikpka IMO.
Stiverne would probably beat him though.
What about Takam?
I dare to say that he would have a good shoot at beating all last 4 Wilder opponents.
All in all I also think that Povetkin's last four opponents are "head and shoulders " above Wilder's ones.

 

Let's hear what Haye has to say about Takam, who's supposedly an overrated win for Povetkin:

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Tackam shut Povetkin out for the first 5 rounds and peckered him at will with a jab. Thats 5 rounds too much to be hittable against Wilder.

 

He didn't shut him out, first 5 rounds were close rounds. And Wilder's punch output and accuracy fighting off the backfoot is still a question mark.