Power 180-200 pounds

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  1. C. M. Clay II

    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    So? Jack Johnson fought in as low as 165 for some fights, but nobody thinks he's a sub 200 pounder, do they?
     
  2. mattdonnellon

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    peter maher for sure, langford, johansson,bob foster, satterfield as well as marciano and dempsey.
     
  3. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Langford! Damn, I forgot. I'm ashamed of myself now.
     
  4. janitor

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    I apreciate your reservations and I am certainly not arguing that Schmeling hit harder than Louis. The fact that Baer said this dose however suggest that Schmeling was a serious puncher.

    Baer was generaly magnanimous in defeat and made no excuses when he lost to Jimmy Braddock despite the fact that he broke both hands.
     
  5. Duodenum

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    Punch for punch, I can't think of any of Joe's opponent's, off hand, who rated him as the hardest hitter for a single shot, and that apparently includes Uzcudun, Braddock and Schmeling, who were on the receiving end of the three hardest indivdual blows Louis ever delivered. But what makes Louis the best puncher in division history was his technical execution of all the types of punches he used, and his ability to put them together. (Years ago, I read a vividly articulate description of what it was like to be hit by Louis, related by Buddy Baer. I'm sure finding it online would not be too difficult.) Louis could drop and take out adversaries which much harder punchers had no success eliminating. The mechanics of his delivery also assured a consistent force of impact. Definitely a textbook case study in How to Do It.
     
  6. C. M. Clay II

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    He wasn't magnanimous when talking about Louis after losing to him.:good
     
  7. janitor

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    Everything I have read suggests that Baer always spoke glowingly of Louis's talents.

    Do you have and reason to suggest otherwise.
     
  8. Maxmomer

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    Are you suggesting Louis's power was significantly less when he was below 200?
     
  9. Guru_Too_You

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    Louis defended the heavyweight title weighing in at 195 pounds.

    Thats a little different than Johnson fighting at 165.
     
  10. Minotauro

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    It could possibly be Johansson, Patterson did say that he hit harder then Liston. If not him the maybe Marciano.
     
  11. janitor

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    Might just be actualy.

    Though like with Louis there is an issue of delivery technique. Johansen could throw that right in a verry short distence.
     
  12. Ted Stickles

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    Marciano,Louis,Dempsey
     
  13. Senya13

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    There's no circular logic there. As I mentioned, other people required a lot fewer clean punches to floor Louis or to have him hurt. Plus, I don't remember any other examples, when some real good puncher needed to land over half a hundred of his best punches cleanly to knock the opponent out.
    Baer's opinion vs. Jack Blackburn's opinion, who was more experienced and knew it better? For me Blackburn hands down.
     
  14. werety

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    Im gonna have to go wit saterfield here based on accounts of pretty much everyone who was hit by him
     
  15. janitor

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