Power 180-200 pounds

In the <200lb category, I vote Marciano (by a mile) for dirty power, Patterson for clean power, and Louis for the best combination of the two...

 

What about Holmes saying various fighters hit harder than Tyson? Clays right about the bitterness of some fighters which sometimes does not make them impartial

What about Barrera saying Hamed hits harder than Pacman? I agree with him but Barrera never took 1 of Hameds powerpunches flush the whole night they fought

 

Well said. I think Louis hand speed and accuracy added to his power. As for who hit the hardest between 180-200 pounds, I would say Dempsey. When Dempsey hit his man clean, the other guy often went down right away.

Willard, and Fripo were durable guys. Dempsey dropped them as soon as he landed something serious. If this is not the sign of a great puncher, I don’t know what is. With Marciano, Louis, Langford and others, their opponents tended to take a bit more bombs before going down in many cases.

 

we forgot Fitz. I know he want over 180 but neither were Choynski, foster, langford, satterfield or maher for most of their fights. one other point, some guys hit hard with all their shots( heavy-handed a la Tom Sharkey while say Tommy Gomez was a one-shot merchant)

 

Yes, but far too many other opponents of Earnie Shavers back Larry's claims of his power being supreme to dismiss them.

Renaldo Snipes surprised Holmes, and clearly had him more seriously wobbled than Shavers did, but is there anybody who uses the fact of Holmes falling twice after getting clobbered by Rennie's right as proof that Snipes his harder than Shavers? When Holmes stated that Shavers hit harder than Tyson, there could have been others who had faced Earnie in the ring, either in competition or sparring, who would have either supported or contradicted Larry's assessment, for all Homes knew.

Recall Leroy Caldwell's famous quote: "Shavers hit harder than Lyle and Foreman combined." Are Tyson's supporters making the claim that Tyson surpassed Shavers in power?

 

Excellent choice, Janitor!

 

So he wasn't landing his right hand in the previous rounds regularly? And he needed another half a hundred clean right crosses to the jaw to finish Louis? You are putting yourself into a corner with your own arguments.

I suppose you are somehow connected to association of jobless blind people that is called 'Compubox'?

He pointed out something everyone could see. That Schmeling needed a helluva clean right hands to stop Louis. I certainly don't see Sullivan, Fitzsimmons, Dempsey, Marciano, Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, Lewis, Tua, W. Klitschko, etc requireing over a half hundred of their best punches landed clean to the jaw to stop somebody.

 

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Yes, Baer was not a bitter loser at all, particularly towards Louis. He gave Joe all kinds of unabashed credit on numerous occasions, including the famous occasion on which he stated that he defined fear as "standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early."

 

Are you saying that Schmeling didn't land clean right crosses to the jaw at all prior to that?

A film where Joe Louis landed 250 clean flush punches to the jaw of Max Baer? You must have some edited version that is looped to repeat every clean punch that landed several times.

Clean left hooks flush to the jaw of Ibeabuchi?