Power showings that don't mesh with power "rankings"

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What I'm looking for here is, results from fighters, specifically KO's/TKO's, that don't align with people's rankings or perceptions of power. For example:

    If fighter A KO's fighter C, D, and E in one round each
    Then Fighter B KO's fighter C, D, and E on average about round 10 or doesn't KO them
    YET, you constantly here that fighter B hits harder.

    So I'm looking for results where fighters seemed to get better power results from common opponents, yet seem to be rated behind in terms of power by boxing Experts/fans.
     
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  2. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think their can be one as has been stated before the factors involved with whether or not a fighter can KO fighter A and not B but the other fighter KO's both....it is too superficial of an assessment style matchup, timing, conditioning and focus there are too many variables anyone that thinks it is as simple as matching the 2 punchers against the same guy is simply being ignorant. Its like the discussion of Tyson not hitting as hard as Morrison based off fighters opinions which is flawed to begin with for example Pinklon Thomas stating that Morrison just hurt him more with everything 4 years between fights it doesn't mean anything the longer you fight the older you get things hurt more....the biggest flaw is taking the word of a fighter as gospel for several reasons the least not being he was getting punched in the head for a living.
     
  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, that thread, and others over the years are why I made this thread. Many times I've seen the, well this fighter doesn't have more power than that fighter, BECAUSE that fighter get better KO results again the same fighters. The Morrison/Tyson thread is an example. So I was just trying to see some other possible examples all posted here.
     
  4. Big Red

    Big Red Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s a pretty good question. One example would be Henry Cooper knocking Ali silly with a single left hook yet Foreman could not seem to hurt Ali.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Superb thread.

    Nunn KO1 Kalambay
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Suggest you let slightly loose mentions be included as your topic can cover so much valuable landscape. Even guys that shocked going the distance with bombers.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Do you have the situations of Fighters A and B reversed here? Wouldn't fighter A, who KO's the other fighters in one round, naturally be considered the harder hitter?

    And by harder hitter do we mean more effective, proven KO artist? Or just some lunk who could jack up a PSI machine and who we have probably never heard of. Because throwing hard punches and landing hard punches are two drastically different undertakings.
     
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  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I corrected that bud. I'm looking for examples of against common opponents, where the general perception of who hits harder doesn't match the results. So no, nothing to do with PSI or people who aren't really known. More looking for known quantities where stuff doesn't seem to align.
     
  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly JT, even those kind of examples would be good and useful imo. Good call
     
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  10. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Erm... Vicente Rondon going 10 rounds with Shaver's yet getting stopped by light heavyweights John Conteh and Bob Foster, and even middleweight Bennie Briscoe?
     
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  11. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I'd say Frank Gorn. He could hit hard enough to smash boulders to powder but he had serious - and I do mean serious - hand speed issues. He never really went anywhere in boxing but had a minor career in showbiz.

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  12. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I understand why you started the thread it is a good thread and can give insight into how realistic the sources of others opinions
     
  13. GoldenHulk

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    The Arena is one of my all time favorite Star Trek episodes.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Foreman MD Alex Stewart; Moorer and Holyfield took him out in 4 and 8.
    Foreman loss ud Morrison; Bentt took him out in one and Mercer did in four.
    Foreman loss md to Briggs; Wilson took him out early.
    Foreman ud Grimsley; Thunder ko1 Grimsley.
    Foreman md Savarese; David Izon ko5 Savarese.
     
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  15. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I will say this about Frank Gorn. I think he would have little problem with facial cuts. The guy's skin looks as tough as leather.
     
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