Power vs Volume Algieri/Provo vs Zbik/JCC

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  1. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Most people had Chavez beating Zbik and discounted his superior boxing and much higher connect percentage because they felt JCC's power was more meaningful. This in spite of the fact Chavez has never demonstrated big punching power even though he's two weight classes bigger than everyone.

    Zbik landed 135 more punches at a 15% better connect rate and the majority had him losing for the same reason they have Algieri winning even though he did significantly worse only landed 83 more at a 3% higher rate.

    In order for the value of the quantity coming from the boxer/volume puncher to be worth more than the damage and quality coming from a power puncher there has to be a significant disparity. How great of a disparity for it to become more valuable is debatable and subjective to an extent but for the majority who scored it for Chavez to now think Algieri winning is reasonable it's funny to say the least.

    Total Punches


    Zbik - 391 of 834 at 47%
    Chavez - 256 of 796 at 32%

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    Provodnikov -205 of776 at 26%
    Algieri - 288 of 993 at 29%
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    I have seen many fights stopped with an eye that was not nearly as bad as Algieri's, good thing it was in Algieri's home town.................this is pro boxing, punches that are the harder count more than a girl's punches do, hell, a five year old child could punch harder than Algieri..................Look at their faces, tells you who landed the real punches. Provodnikov won the fight.............
     
  3. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well when i say damage i don't just mean facial damage im talking about the overall effect of them with power playing a huge factor. Some guys bruise or cut more easily than others and an eye can get swollen from just one punch. But yes Ruslan consistently landed the more meaningful and hurtful punches throughout the entire fight and i don't see how such a small disparity in volume or landed punches makes up for that.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I had the Zbik/Chavez Jr. fight either to Zbik or a draw, can't remember. Know I didn't have Chavez winning.

    Algieri boxed superior to Zbik in the sense that he seemed to control action and consistently land throughout each round at a high pace. Zbik, despite the monster compubox, did have rounds where Chavez def took them. Algieri barely lost a decisive round, what, the 10-7 first and that is it?
     
  5. Terror

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    I thought Chavez lost that fight, but not as badly as Provo **** the bed against Algieri. The kid made Provo look like a fool despite fighting with a broken face, a broken nose, and a cut mouth and being 2 KDs down from the 2nd on.
     
  6. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Zbik acquired those much better numbers while standing his ground which is more impressive, not less. Algieri wasn't controlling the action or being the ring general the vasy majority of the time he was constantly trying to simply get away while hitting him with weak shots on the move. Zbik on the other hand may not be a power hitter but he was sitting down on his shots and snapping JCC's head back with flush super clean punches.

    Chavez outlanded Zbik in 3 rounds which were arguably the only ones he won i thought 8-4 was as close as you could have it and ironically its the same score two of the judges had Algieri winning by.
     
  7. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its fair to say that the match could have gone either way. One punch alone caused Algeiri's eye to swell up with him taking quite a few of the rounds comfortably. I myself had Provo slightly ahead but some of the rounds were so close that it was very difficult to decide the victor. I switch 2-3rounds and Algerieri wins it as well so my hats off to a well deserved win.:good
     
  8. Escopeta

    Escopeta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Zbik vs. Jr was a toe to toe fight. Zbik didn't get busted up or knocked down nor did he run or fought deprecative. in the middle part of that fight he stood up to Jr's best punches and came right back, never appered to be hurt or affected by Chavez punches and thats what counts. the early and later part was pretty much a straight schooling. Chavez head was dancing salsa on his shoulders all night. i gave Chavez three rounds, the decision was a farce and the fight wasn't close
     
  9. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has Zbik fought since the Sturm fight?

    He arguably deserved to win the WBC title then was beat by Sturm quite convincingly.
     
  10. JamesG1986

    JamesG1986 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes power should count on a judges scorecard more than volume, and for a few rounds last night it did the problem last night was Ruslan was doing too much chasing and head hunting while Algieri was moving and jabbing, countering etc that there were not enough rounds for Ruslan where his power amounted to much. You can't get out punched the way he did and land one big one at the end and win a round
     
  11. aaronpernell

    aaronpernell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Klitschko lewis shouldn't have been stopped this fight should have? Okay.
     
  12. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I also fought Chavez lost that fight.
     
  13. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Comparing punchstats doesn't work for me. It can used as an extremely crude guide as to how a fight MAY have played out. But not in any reliable fashion whatsoever. I had JR ad Provo winning their respective fights, but there was no relation to the punchstats.