Pre 1960 heavyweight champions vs Modern Champions ( 1990-current )

But Brewster does?

 

Brewster is skilled enough to win.

 

Go watch some Brewster pal, he makes Marciano look like a prime Tyson.

 

Johnny_B,

They world were class HW’s with speed and power. Of course they’d have stood a chance.

Wlad lost in his 20’s and 30’s.

The version of Wlad that we call prime, was the ultra cautious version that Manny shaped.

Sanders wasn’t much bigger than what they were and he was a southpaw.

McCall and Mercer weren’t bigger.

So going by your own logic, Louis and Dempsey must have had a chance, considering that Louis had great power and Dempsey had great power and explosive speed.

 

And Joe Louis wasn’t skilled?

 

Weighing more than your opponent does not guarantee a win.

Jack Dempsey 187 - Jess Willard 242
3rd Round KO.

Joe Lous 196 - Primo Canera 261
6th Round KO.

I’d like to see today’s heavyweights go 45 rounds with Jack Johnson or anyone. Seeing Anthony Joshua get KOed by a Two Ton Tony Galento should give pause about the greatness of today’s heavyweights.

 

Joe Louis would absolutely dominate with his skill set...if Andy Ruiz could KO AJ bet ur a$$ Louis would embarrass him. Think Marciano would beat some guys and lose to others. Like any contender today. Foreman fit into both your categories and won both eras. So the idea that men of the past can’t compete today is already disproven. Ali and Holmes would be champs today as well. Liston. The HW division today is nothing to brag about (although a nice colorful cast of characters)...if anything it’s so poor it’s allowed men with very few fights under their belts to move up the ranks quickly without truly being tested.
Edit: misread the title...pre 60 only. Still doesn’t change my opinion Louis, Marciano, Liston, Dempsey, Primo, Baer, Charles, Walcott, Schmeling, Archie Moore, could compete w anyone at any level. Would they have had the same careers with modern training methods? Maybe not. Maybe they fight lighter? Maybe they come in looking like Tua or Ruiz? Idk and neither does anyone

 

Corrie Sanders was a southpaw with a very good left cross. He never threw a left hook in his life.

You need to actually learn the difference between a left thrown from an orthodox stance with the lead hand ( left jab, left hook, left rip to the body and left uppercut ) and a left thrown by a southpaw with the rear hand like Corrie Sanders. More study needed.

Cheers.

 

Louis was skilled, but the size difference is just too big. Brewster is skilled enough to win given his size advantage.

 

Those 45 rounds were nowhere near as intense as they are now. Sometimes it was more wrestling than actual boxing.

 

I think that broadly speaking the size of the modern heavyweights would be the deciding factor, but then you have the standouts.

I would be confident of the following men having considerable success against the big heavyweights of today.

Jack Johnson.
Jack Dempsey
Jack Sharkey (it seems that being called Jack helps)
Joe Louis
Joe Walcott
Sonny Liston

 

How could the size difference have been too big?

Tell me.

Brewster was the same size as Louis and Dempsey, but less skilled. He knocked Wlad out.

Ray Mercer also wasn’t big, and he almost beat Lennox. And to this day, some people think that he did.

Oliver McCall wasn’t big.

Louis and Dempsey had the height, reach, skills, style and speed to have had a chance of beating any HW.

To suggest that they’d have had no chance whatsoever, is completely ignorant. Especially as a lesser guy of the same size managed to beat Wlad.

Look at the following statistics:


Ray Mercer:

Height: 6’1

Reach: 77”

Weight: 220-240 pounds


Lamont Brewster:

Height: 6’2

Reach: 77”

Weight: 230 pounds


Joe Louis:

Height: 6’1

Reach: 76”

Weight: 200-215 pounds


Jack Dempsey:

Height: 6’1

Reach: 77”

Weight: 180-190 pounds


Dempsey and Louis were the same size, but lighter and leaner, with a lower percentage of body fat.

Mercer and Brewster would have been lighter had they have been in better shape.

Louis had great skills, great power and he was a ruthless finisher.

Dempsey had great speed and explosive power.


This just destroys your argument. Because if a guy who was the same size could beat a 28 year old version of Wlad, then better fighters of the same size would also have had a very good chance of replicating that.

 

I am tempted to agree with you but I think they were pacing themselves for a long fight. Imagine signing up to fight 45 rounds. That is just about four 12 round bouts in one. I think I might take my time to make sure I had plenty in the tank for round 43,44 and 45.

With said, take a look at Johnson vs. Willard. At age 37 Johnson was throwing punches in flurries like Manny Pacquaio each round. Jess Willard was quotes that he expected to take a beating for 15 rounds then come on. Think about that statement.

When Willard does come on, he is boxing beautifully with jabs and right hands to the body.

These men were in supreme condition.

This whole weight and skill conversation makes even less sense when we think of the Deontay Wilder who weighed only 212 against Fury weighed 256 in their first fight.

Deontay is as crude a Heavyweight champion as has ever been yet in this fight he keep his title simply on one shot power. Had Deontay had the skill of Joe Louis he would never have taken that much punish nor would Fury have escaped being knocked out.

Deontay Wilder who in my opinion has no boxing skill at all was routinely outweighed by at least 10 to 20 pounds, sometimes up to 30 and KOed all of them.

He was the champion for 5 years with 10 or 11 title defenses with a record 42-1-41KOs. It is almost like his career was made for these arguments. I take Joe Louis with to have the same exact record in this era with no lose to a bum of the month type like Fury.