Pre 1980s boxers that could beat Lennox Lewis?

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  1. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier, possibly Lyle, Page on his best day, Ali, Bonavena, maybe a prime Quarry.Also, Holmes, and Foreman.
     
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  2. tommygun711

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    Did you watch Ray Mercer vs Lewis.
    Mercer was able to get inside, so i think those 3 greater men then mercer could.
     
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  3. Bokaj

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    I actually haven't watched that one. But I will.
     
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  4. tommygun711

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqFYg9lADKo[/ame]
    You can find the rest of them in the related videos.
     
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  5. teeto

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    I favour Ali over Lewis. I don't see Lennox outobxing him or outfighting him. Lennox had good speed in his prime and when he exerts himself in the way of his one two combos he's one of the best ever, but i reckon Ali has the heart, and the multi-directional mobility combined with speed of foot to outmaneuvre his man and pepper him with shots in the process that do the scoring.

    Louis has a chance against Lewis, but the reverse is definitely true. Sometimes people look into dimensions too much, i don;t personally, but it's not too much of an issue with Lennox, who was one of the best heavyweights of all time regardless.
     
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  6. Seamus

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    Typical Classic Board response to a more recent fighter, take one of recent fighter's lesser performances, compare to old-timer's better performances, extrapolate endlessly through rose-prism glasses... get result.

    The best possibilities to defeat a PRIME Lewis, a Lewis who shows up as he did in one of his BEST performances, would be a 1979 Larry Holmes and a 1967 Ali. I love Joe Louis, but no. Marciano, no. Foreman, underdog in this one. Dempsey, how far does a Jack Mormon fly when hit by a proper right cross?
     
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  7. teeto

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    Well this doesn't apply to my post.
     
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  8. Muchmoore

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    People need to chill with using the Mercer fight. Mercer was a huge puncher with a granite chin who fought a good fight. He gave Evander all he could handle as well. Putting so much stock in the Rahman/McCall fights is silly. Lewis took Hasim lightly and got caught while clowning, and hadn't yet matured against McCall. Dempsey was flattened by Jim Flynn.

    Obviously these results need to be taken into account, but Lennox's performances against the likes of Holyfield, Tua, Tyson, Ruddock etc. also need to be looked at. Any fighter can be made to look bad if you just look at 2-3 of their worst fights. Dempsey was knocked out by Jim Flynn and knocked out of the ring by Firpo, for instance.

    Anyway, I like Ali to outpoint him and I slightly favor Louis. Holmes is a toss up. Liston-Lewis is hard to pick for me because we've never seen either of them face anything even resembling each other. I'd give Liston a tiny edge as I think Lennox struggled a bit against quality jabbers.
     
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  9. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Without thinking about it too much, Joe Louis and Smokes would probably be my favourites.
     
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  10. tommygun711

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    People need to take in a fighter's credible losses, that's why I talked about the fight... Really that fight could've been given to Mercer, it was quite a fight.
    And it says something about these smaller heavyweights. Mercer, a short, stubby, but powerful heavyweight was able to pin Lewis on the ropes and work on the inside... That's what Frazier and Marciano would do, only 10x better.
    Yeah, I believe Liston may defeat Lewis, I'm not really sure, Liston possibly hits harder and has a better jab, but lewis has faster hands and he's bigger.
     
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  11. janitor

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    Yes, but he would have had similar lapses in other era's at some point.

    There is always sombody waiting to collect your head when you make a mistake.
     
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  12. Muchmoore

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    While size in Heavyweight boxing gets over rated sometimes imo, I think the size difference in a Frazier-Lewis fight would be crucial. Frazier was a come forward swarmer, he fought no other way. Lewis is going to tie him up when he comes in, and no matter how good of shape Frazier's in, having 250 pounds on your upperbody over a few rounds would take its toll.
    Combined with this, you have Lennox's uppercut on the inside. Frazier with his bob and weaving style was great at dodging straight shots, not so great at dodging uppercuts. He'd have to get by the uppercut first, and if he got by the uppercut he'd find Lennox tying him up and putting all of his weight on him on the inside. I pick Frazier against any boxer (as in the style) that ever lived not named Ali, but Lennox would be a bad matchup.
     
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  13. Muchmoore

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    I don't see Lennox going unbeaten in any era. But the losses that he had helped him imo become a better fighter and Lennox never clowned around against someone he deemed a worthy challenge. Which is what Louis, Frazier, Foreman etc. were of course.
     
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  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman had a lot of respect for Lewis.

    If Lewis gets beyond 4 rounds, he probably wins.
     
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  15. anarci

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    Ali
    Foreman
    Holmes if you consider him pre 80s his prime was probaby around 80,81,82
    Liston Pick em
    Fraizer Maybe but im 60/40 that Lewis would win
    Shavers would have a good shot
     
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