pre 1980's...if americans had to travel more,how different would history be????

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  1. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this always has interested me
    well it is clear that in the 30's,40's and 50 etc

    america was clearly the best at boxing and after lets not talk even talk about about countries that could not turn pro

    but only about those that could,
    like england or germany etc

    had joe louis had fought tommy farr in england?
    or ray robinson had to rematch turpin in england
    what if billy conn had to go to england to fight len harvey
    maricano going to cuba to fight vidoz etc

    what if european-asian etc fights didnt "have to prove themselves by coming to usa"
    what if it was more fair and americans didnt always home court advantage...

    were the americans just that much better
    or them always playing on home turf have to do with it
     
  2. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fighters and fights happen in the USA because that is where the money was and is still at. Still, I cannot see it making that much difference in the fights you mentioned (unless they got good ole Calzaghe type decisions).
     
  3. Brownies

    Brownies Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You can't deny that a fight here and there would've ended differently, rightfully or wrongfully. The influence of the crowd on fighters and judges is not a new subject.

    Also, it is not an easy task to go to another country and prepare the right way. You've got to be there long enough for the jet lag to disappear, while maintaining a top condition. That's not for everyone.

    By the way, while the USA isn't the center of the boxing universe as much as it was. You've got many champions in Mexico, Germany, Canada, Japan, England, etc making more money and filling more seats in their countries nowadays.
     
  4. Rich108

    Rich108 Member Full Member

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    the big money for the big fights is still in america no matter how strong or weak u gauge there talent pool of fighters or where the current champions orginate from.
     
  5. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As a proud Canadian I know that, on a fight by fight basis it may make sense to fight in another country, but 9 times out of 10 it is in a fighters best interest to fight in the US for the long term $. If you look at the SMW division for example . . . it is and always has been bigger in Europe but if you move to LHW the money is in the USA. I am not saying things are not shifting but that is still the economic reality in boxing. If you want to make the most money make a name in the US, fighting on US networks, in the US, in US timezones. Bute and Pascal are having trouble crossing over into the US market because the major networks want to broadcast from the US
     
  6. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't see much difference in the great scheme of things.
     
  7. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For the most part, I dont think much will change, I pretty sure Louis can ko Johnny Paycheck in England, as he did in America, Or what ever the fight took place.

    I dont think Cockell would have fair better in England vs Marciano either if we go by were they were born. As far as Farr? I think Louis still beats him on Tommy's home turf.
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If the champion is from the U.S. -- or Argentina or Panama or Japan -- he's likely to do most of his fighting in that country because that's likely where his promoter resides and also likely where he's the biggest draw.

    If you want the champ to fight you in your country, get your promoter to pony up enough money to make it happen.
     
  9. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    excellent answer and you can add places like
    thailand and poland etc
     
  10. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you dont think a guy like billy conn who never fought outside of america
    might get affected fight len harvey in front of a huge british arena
     
  11. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    so home turf means nothing?

    and same goes for jet lag
    hostile arena
    different environment etc
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ask the late, great Eddie Perkins.
     
  14. suriamarsuli

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    You have to asked the people in Wales,they still think that Farr won the bout against Joe Louis.
     
  15. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    why