pre 1990's boxing...was alot of american success due to always playing on home turf.

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  1. Boom1989

    Boom1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Have Randy Newman ref it, or that guy from Ottk-Reid. When you get a warning for punching, everything is possible. :lol:
     
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  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    ali probably woulda dominated so bad nothing could get in the way like chambers did

    reid vs ottke was a travesty but to be honest reid kept it close and didnt dominate the rounds

    i mean if your in the guys back yard and you know your gonna get screwed you gotta fight with extreme desperation
     
    KO KIDD, Oct 12, 2011
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  3. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    listen i like the smart ass comments about hearns and hagler etc lol

    they would always be great champions

    but if jose gomez and victor schevenko(mispelled)
    around maybe they would have interesting challenges

    ohh yeah they could not turn pro....forget lol




    i like how defensive a lot of guys get

    what if wbo was not around and guys like chris eubank never got a shot lol


    but lets go and pretend that "to be the best you have to go america"

    and also pretend that the american fighter
    does not have home court advantage when that happens
     
    highguard, Oct 12, 2011
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  4. Ncc84

    Ncc84 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Another massive factor is the fall of the communist block around 1990, which has made a huge difference to boxing particularly the heavyweight scene, without the former communist countries, the division would be missing;
    wlad
    vitali
    Adamek
    Povetkin
    dimitrenko
    Pulev
    Chagaev
    Ibragimov
    Ustinov
    sosnowski
    Boytsov
    Edmund Gerber
    etc
    If you take all of them out, we're left with;

    Haye
    Chambers USA
    Thompson USA
    Fury
    Arreola USA
    Solis
    Lawrence USA
    Mormeck
    Holyfield USA
    Peter
    Stiverne
    Boswell USA
    Chisora
    Harris USA
    Grant USA
    Barrett USA
    Banks USA

    Then its looking a lot more like it used to.
     
    Ncc84, Oct 13, 2011
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  5. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yeah thats true but your forgetting some of the european communist countries
    (not ussr)

    were already sending some fighters to the pros before 1990

    mate parlov being a famous example


    and like i said there have many champions since 1990 from places like italy etc
     
    highguard, Oct 13, 2011
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  6. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Ali beat Cooper and London in the UK.

    Beat Milderberger in Germany

    Beat Chuvalo in Canada.


    Jack Johnson for his own reasons fought all over the world beating all comers.

    Sugar Ray Robinson went around the world,ended up beating up half of France IN France!

    Robinson fought a large amount of his fights abroad.
     
    irishny, Oct 13, 2011
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  7. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We had more advanced training, a deeper talent pool, greater financial incentives for success, more financial support for our fighter, and a tradition of success in addition to the home field advantage.
     
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  8. mick557

    mick557 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Leonard lost the first time he left the US. The judges had it 148-147, 146-144 and 145-144 all for Duran.

    Do you think Leonard would have got the decision if he was on home soil?
     
    mick557, Oct 13, 2011
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  9. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very good point mick

    and to jeff
    modern advanced training?????????/

    really have you seen even a european boxing warm up
     
    highguard, Oct 13, 2011
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  10. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very good point mick

    and to jeff
    modern advanced training?????????/

    really have you seen even a european boxing warm up
     
    highguard, Oct 13, 2011
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  11. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Considering that in his prime, he fought largely out of America. It would be hard to say that America was "foreign soil" to Duran.

    The guy fought the majority of his prime fights in America.
     
    irishny, Oct 13, 2011
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  12. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very good point mick

    and jeff

    have you ever seen a european boxing warm up??
    compared to skip and shadow box that americans do lol

    and greater talent pool,
    yeah ok,

    how the hell can you prove that
     
    highguard, Oct 13, 2011
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  13. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very good point mick

    and jeff

    have you ever seen a european boxing warm up??
    compared to skip and shadow box that americans do lol

    and greater talent pool,
    yeah ok,

    how the hell can you prove that
     
    highguard, Oct 13, 2011
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  14. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Well look at the Olympics.
    Those were held in countries all over and young Americans would regularly go and win Gold.
     
    irishny, Oct 13, 2011
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  15. jeffjoiner

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    Boxing was a major sport in the United States and many athletes were drawn to it. We had baseball followed by boxing for the better part of the 20th century. Later, American football and basketball started dilluting our talent pool.

    Soccer has always been the primary sport for young men in Europe. The Eastern Bloc pushed more young men into Olympic sports and hockey than into boxing.

    As a result, the talent pool in America was deeper.

    I could also add that Americans (due to being a nation of immigrants) are still prevelant in every weight class while Europeans tend to compete best in 168 pounds and over. Once again, more depth.
     
    jeffjoiner, Oct 13, 2011
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