Predicting an ultra-close / split decision in a fantasy fight

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    How much sense does it make to predict a razor-thin or split decision victory for a fighter in a fantasy fight?

    This happens surprisingly often in fantasy fight threads, and seems odd. Split decisions are, by definition, so close that things might have gone either way. You could just as easily have predicted a split decision to go in the opposite direction with no change in analysis; picking the winner in such circumstances would seem a coin flip, not a firm pick.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I disagree with you that it is odd.

    You see it plenty in GF. People predict "close maybe split" decision predictions all the time.

    Tbf, there are political reasons to make this prediction which maybe ups the frequency a bit to make it a false match to fantasy stuff, but it's basically deemed a valid prediction where you've said something like "by razor thin" or "by close" decision, as opposed to "close but clear" decision.

    If you select so and so by one of those methods, and it's an SD you generally are credited with having made a great pick.
     
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  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I think picking a win by way of cuts (or even factoring cuts at all) is the oddest and least predictable for fantasy H2H.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's fair, I made this prediction once for Hatton-Pacquiao, which was the worst prediction I've ever made all the way around :lol:
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    - Oleksandr Usyk vs Ken Norton
    - Derek Chisora vs Francois Botha
    - Chris Byrd vs Jimmy Young
    - Pernell Whitaker vs Floyd Mayweather Jr

    I'd epect all these fight to be super close, can't imagive them going any other way
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    To be clear, I see nothing odd about predicting a fight being really close. Some fights, like Norton against an elite mobile boxer like Ali or Holmes, are just destined to be close. "It'll be a coinflip," is a legit prediction.

    I do think it's odd to predict a specific fighter winning by razor-thin decision. You're essentially saying, "It'll be a coin flip, and this specific guy wins the coinflip."
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sorry, I wasn't explicit enough.

    Lots of people pick SD as an outcome in real fights about to happen.

    You run into everything else more commonly (except DQ) but "so and so by SD" is a real life prediction that happens for real fights often.

    Go here https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ediction-league.661054/page-403#post-21397972

    And search "sd" and you'll see two or three picks on that predictions page. Search the whole thread and you'll see dozens or hundreds.

    If selecting and SD as an outcome in a real fight, where the prediction will be tested, is a thing that occurs with reasonable frequency, I don't see why it's a problem to do so for fights that aren't going to happen. Both are instances of people applying thinking to likely outcomes and reaching a conclusion.
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Ah. I think I see what you mean.

    I totally agree that people predict split decision wins in real life fights as well. I happen to think those predictions don't make much sense either.

    I grant you that there's technically nothing impossible about predicting a SD win due to being a skilled predictor (rather than luck).

    In practice, though, I don't think people are capable of making fine-grained enough predictions to forecast which side would win an SD ahead of time. It's hard enough to predict clear wins by stoppage or crushing UD.

    (Unless you suspect that one side will actually win, but be robbed with a fishy SD or draw to make it look less suspicious, I suppose.)
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well I get you, but for example those people in that thread I linked - they're competing for points. They're really trying to get it right because there is something at stake. So they think about it and they come to a conclusion.

    I wish people would spend that much time thinking about fantasy fights here :lol: and when they do, i'm fine with them picking by SD.

    But, yeah.
     
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    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chris Byrd vs Jimmy Young
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Ha! Yes, I see what you mean.

    I remember trying to poll the most successful posters about what methods they used to pick fights in the gambling threads, hoping to get something that I could import into Classic discussions. But they basically seemed to do the same thing we do here, except with fewer Fleischer quotes.
     
  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You’ve obviously never predicted a fantasy fight where the opponent is Vito Antuofermo.
     
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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We want points!

    You now, something REAL at stake.
     
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