Prediction - Wilder vs Fury

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  1. mcvey

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    If Fury should win the Wilder camp will certainly invoke their rematch clause .If Wilder wins clearly ,there will be no rematch.Should the latter happen Wilder has been offered a 2 fight deal by Eddie Hearn to fight AJ in London and the US. Hearn has a huge arena booked for April next year,If Wilder continues to duck and stall Whyte,[should he beat Chisora in December , ] is a possible challenger the other possibility, whom Hearn has mentioned twice this week is Usyk.
    Personally if Wilder continues to quack, quack, I'd prefer AJ to defend against Ortiz but AJ is determined to hold on to his belts so he will have to fight his mandatories .
    A curiosity about this fight is there could well be nearly as many Brits in the Staples Centre as locals. Last calling they had sold 8000 of the 21,000 seats.Since the fight is 4am local time in the UK this will make serious inroads into the PPV .In contrast Fury can sell out a 90,000 arena.Fury isn't a big draw in the UK.
    I won't pay for it,I've never seen Fury in an exciting fight and I don't believe he has had adequate preparation for this one.
    It has pension plan written all over it,imo.
    I'll catch it Sunday morning on a stream.
     
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  2. Mendoza

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    I can give this a thumbs up, but for Joshua, he's best resume wins are vs. two older men. Why face a third in Ortiz?

    I'd rather see Joshua face the winner here.
     
  3. Pat M

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    Regardless of what happens IMO these are two unique heavyweights. Fury can box, he has boxed his entire life, and he is 6-9, 255, to me he is like FMJ, Lomanchenko, and Chris Byrd, but he is the size of Ed "Too Tall" Jones. When he is in the ring he is at home. He is relaxed, confident and he moves like a small man. Even when he was 400 pounds he moved well on video when he was in the ring. Fury is the first giant who was raised to be a boxer.

    Wilder is the most athletic big man I've seen. Fast, strong, 6-7, 214-30 pounds, and he carries his punch for the whole fight. Fury could win 35 minutes and 50 seconds and get knocked out by Wilder. I knew Wilder was a special puncher when he knocked out a guy who I saw fight as an amateur. The guy was about 6-4, 240 and tough. Wilder took him out in one round early in his pro career. The guy was nothing special as a boxer, but he was big and tough, I wouldn't have thought anybody could take him out in one. Wilder is a huge puncher but the difference in him and other big punching heavyweights is that he doesn't get tired and lose his punch and he isn't slow and ponderous. He is dangerous for the entire fight.

    I don't usually like to see tall fighters fight, but this one is interesting. It's going to be interesting to see if Fury can hurt Wilder, if he can out box and frustrate him, or if Wilder's athleticism and speed will allow him to box with Fury and let him land one of his big punches on Fury, then it will be interesting to see if Fury can take Wilder's punch. There are a lot of questions, and it's not going to get much easier for the winner. If the winner fights Joshua, Joyce, Miller, Usyk, etc., it's going to be another tough fight.
     
  4. GALVATRON

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    since I picked the round ( 11 ) I might as well pick the punch..

    Fury gets the knockout via left hook out of southpaw stance.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

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    Id say fury makes things difficult the first few rounds with herky jerky movements, feints, and some southpaw stance shifting. Wilder lands a bomb in the 3rd and fury goes down and never recovers, going into survival mode. Round 4 wilder stalks fury and clips him a few times but fury grabs and moves. Round 5 fury's legs are still wobbly but he is able to keep wilder at bay with his jab and counters. Wilder times fury again with a big right hand lead at the end of the round. Fury can barely come out for the 6th and wilder is all over him, swinging for the fences. Fury dodges and blocks most of them and stuns wilder with an uppercut counter, but eventually wilder finds a gap in his defense and lands a nuclear 1-2. Fury cant beat the count and/or fight is waved off.

    Wilder 6-7th round ko is my guess. If fury can last that long but its close/competitive like i think it'll be, that will let me know fury needed at least 2-3 more fights against top 10 opppnents to really be ready for wilder.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    Respectfully, I think you're wrong here. If it was truly a pension plan, I believe Fury would have taken a handful more lower level fights, while boasting of his claims to the lineage, looking to cash out after a safe string of opponents against whoever emerged between Wilder and AJ.

    And I know a lot of people believe Fury needed a few more tune-ups, but I disagree. Were he to take that route, there's just as good a chance he'd lose interest and see-saw in weight, as there is him continue on a path of getting fitter.

    In short, I think having the fight sooner rather than later indicates the exact opposite of what you suggested - that Fury is in it to win it, or give his all trying.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    Is Fury going to be as good off the PED's.
     
  8. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The most intriguing thing about this fight for me isn’t how different they are stylewise I can’t argue the differences are like night and day.

    But does anyone else think it’s the similarity that makes the fight interesting, and it’s a glaring one
    Neither fighter comes forward and forces the action.

    Fury maintains distance with the jab, uses shoulder rolls and slips and counters, comfortable on the ropes inviting pressure, catching them with point scoring combos

    Wilders casual style leaves inviting openings that encourage the opponent to come forward and do the work, waiting for that opening:
    I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere else so Iam probably looking at it all wrong, and guna look daft but any one else see what I see?
     
  9. GALVATRON

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    Nope your looking at it right it's the reason why Fury should win this because it nullifies Wilder entirely that Fury knows it will be the lead right hands that he must watch out for.

    It's really simple defeating Wilder if Fury goes in and hurts him early. If not he really has to be careful bc Wilder is very fast and still dangerous until the end.

    The leg placement itself by Wilder makes him easily hit off balance or when he misses power shots makes it that much easier for Fury, if jabs alone can offset Wilder that should tell anyone who to put their money on .

    Yes Wilder could land , but if we go by the sport of boxing not coulds, you can't consciously say Wilder should be favorite here bc were assuming one punch is all it takes....anyone who really studies their fights know it shouldn't be that easy for Wilder..
     
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  10. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think fury wins but not the fury that faught Klitschko (I hope fury wins wilder don’t deserve a belt ), the fury that faught chisora the second time.

    How do you think the opening rounds go? who presses the action? And why?

    Respect
     
  11. GALVATRON

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    The thing is people are looking at Furys opponents which has no relevance here .

    Furys going to react to what his opponents give him . Chisora 6'2 looked lethargic and beat without Fury even trying.

    Wlad Klitschko fought in a fog , the reason why Fury could not run up on him was Klitschko had very good footwork distance skills still making Fury weary to do much.

    Wilder doesn't have that presence , no active jab , no set traps , no really good clinching game!

    Fury has to fight like he did in the Pianeta fight ( Minus laying on ropes or in the corner ), pick his aggressive and passive moments in the fight and actually throw hard sharper punches from top to bottom . sharper. That's what he's going to do bc he has to, he would probably switch stances continuously as well to confuse Wilder on angles because Wilder relies on getting movements down to land something big.

    I think Fury will control center ring almost the entire time. He will make Wilder work from outside at moments making him chase him but I see this as a center ring control by Fury type fight..he won t be foolish to follow or be at the end of Wilder range which will be easy and force clinches when Wilder comes at range.

    He's knows Wilder is going to come at him hard eventually and I think Fury nails him and rocks him around the 8th / 9th round.

    Wilders team will panic around 10 rounds this is where he's may make a huge mistake and open up, I also think Fury will go after him round 11 of the fights still going, I'm saying this because he shouldn't trust Wilder fight judging even if it's not at Barclays.

    i think a solid round 10,11,and 12 will surely cement the win.

    If Fury does go down twice this doesn't alter my prediction, it could happen! It just makes it a closer fight where Fury will go for the knock out.

    Of course the easy way to win would be continued straight arm body punches that make Wilder reset bc he won't stay on balance , he can't do anything if Fury actually does this for 12 rounds . Lol

    End note...Fury picked Wilder to fight. This isn't one of Wilders hand picked guys he out matches or has a handicap on ! This will be his first actual legit win with no advantages. I state again IF he wins.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Fury took off his shirt and the his lower back had flesh like jello. What is he going to weigh?
     
  13. THE BLADE 2

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    I am not convinced Wilder will be able land that right hand. He is punching at a taller and elusive target.
    Wilder is lacking fundamentals. I see a UD for Fury.
     
  14. Bokaj

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    Fury at the same weight he was against Pianetta... I thought he'd slimmed down a bit more. Could mean he's not in good enough shape.

    And Wilder at his lightest weight yet. Has he overtrained? I don't think he looked great when coming in light against Ortiz.

    Don't know which way to go on this one. If I felt Fury was in best possible shape I'd probably give him an edge, but hard to know with him.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Right. Fury should be 245, not 256. And he looks to have lost some muscle off the PED's. Fury might clinch and put his 256 pounds down on Wilder's pipe thin legs. We'll see.
     
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