Premature coronation: might it be that *none* of the lightweight "four kings" end up HOF worthy?

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Who could still become great?

  1. Teófimo Andrés "El Brooklynero/The Takeover" López Jr.

    37.9%
  2. Devin Miles "The Dream" Haney

    40.2%
  3. Gervontaa Brown "Tank" Davis

    52.9%
  4. Ryan "The Flash/King" García

    26.4%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Garcia, despite being mentally unbalanced is probably the most likeable of the 5 fighters. Haney is way too comfortable saying the bigotry out loud and his dad is one of the shittiest boxing dads in the sport. Wahid is one of the least articulate humans I've ever heard speak. Lopez is more uncouth than Stanley Kowalski. And Stevenson is a pseudo tough guy and weasel talking about big and bad he is when he never backs it up.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Punkasses. Bunch of little punkasses.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    We don't just set the bar.... WE ARE THE BAR!:D
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  4. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not excited by Tank? Outside the ring he’s as dull as watching paint dry but inside the ring he’s a near-on guaranteed knockout machine (minus his best opponent in recent years, Pitbull, but that was an enjoyable to watch competitive 12 round fight).

    And he did handle Ryan with ease, which now looks like a much better victory than most of us first thought.

    Davis has the best skills of all 4 of these guys imo with genuine knockout power.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    He does produce nice kayos... but near every moment of his fights up until the KO is ass, though.

    Been a lot of guys like that over the years. Arthur Abraham etc.
     
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  6. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair. The Rolly fight was snore-inducing
     
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  7. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was never sold on any of them becoming ATGs, although I felt Garcia had the most potential. As much as I despise Tank, he has the potential, but doesn’t seem to have the drive.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It hasn't taken long at all to completely expose how premature and absurd the coronation of these Four Peasants was

    The only one of the ''Four Kings'' who is legit and has proven it against elite competition is Teofimo and even then his best win came in his backyard with a home ref and three home judges against a much smaller blown up inactive injured 126 pounder in their 3rd weight class and one which would've been at least their 6th weight class had they turned pro in their teens like the Four Kings did which is akin to Teofimo fighting up at 160.

    A same size healthy active Loma knocks his ass 10 times out of 10, let alone one who was way bigger than Teofimo who was a massive weight bully at 135 and a devastating puncher at that weight. Notice how the KOs dried up immediately when he moved up?

    And his 2nd best win Josh Taylor had been very inactive, battling injuries, and was coming off a demoralizing unofficial loss and was certainly was not the same fighter he was prior to facing Teofimo

    Not to mention Teo should have 3 losses not 1 and all of them in his 1st or 2nd weight class, weight classes he was huge or big for, in his backyard on a deck stacked in his favour

    Twink's best win in a 12 year career is still to this day Pedraza and he been ducking the elite his entire career and should have lost his last fight to a cherrypicked 130 pounder who he looked a hair away from pulling a no mas against

    Ryan just lost to club fighter Rolly and has been dropped or stopped by almost all the punchers he's faced: Twink, Rolly, and a very inactive Luke Campbell and his best ever win is a no contest over fellow Four King hype job Haney. Who has he actually beaten of any note?

    Haney is a gigantic weight bully who forged a career weight bullying leprechauns he weighed 2-4 divisions more than, OAP leprechauns he weighed 2-4 divisions more than, featherfisted leprechauns he weighed 2-4 divisions more than, and winning gift decisions from his three home judges vs leprechauns he weighed 4 divisions more than and as soon as he fought a young prime fighter puncher closer to his size his glass chin got shattered everytime he got caught clean.

    To this day he has never beaten a single world champion remotely close to his size and if JCR was closer in weight to him which is a big if he's completely washed and Haney ran like a thief in the night from first bell to last from him.
     
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  9. GBoxingFeed

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    Tough call.

    Garcia looks unlikely now. Style over substance, without a top level elite win.

    Haney seems damaged, and hasn’t proven himself elite either.

    Tank doesn’t have the resume and doesn’t seem concerned with getting the resume. Fair enough, but that complacency will cost him historically.

    Teo is the most likely. Has moments of real brilliance. Dangerous, flash, but also fundamentally very tricky. But he’s so mercurial. He’s always one loss away from oblivion it seems.
     
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  10. hoopsman

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    I think Teo is quietly composing a Hall of Fame career. He's likely to earn belts in one or two more divisions, and while not the dynamic power puncher across multiple weight classes that we hoped he'd be, he's proven to be a rather tidy boxer.

    Haney's trajectory looks more unsettled than it did post-Loma, but he's only been beaten by an opponent who benefited from a prohibited substance. And the fact that he isn't alway aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean he can't win more titles and carve out an HOF career.

    Garcia's career is in genuine trouble and might need a root to branch reboot. It's doubtful that he has the mental stamina or inner drive to right this floundering ship
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I stand by my assertion that Vergil is the vastly superior (albeit far less hyped) version of Teo.
     
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  12. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tank lacks the ambition and only views boxing as a way to make money;

    Ryan lacks the discipline, mental fortitude and heart;

    Haney lacks in so many areas I don’t see how people ever rated Haney to begin with.

    Teo is the best of this rather unimpressive bunch, he’s already the most accomplished as two-division lineal champion, and he’ll retire with the best legacy. Even though he’s far from a “great”.
     
  13. LenHarvey

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    They're all shite.. Haney is a pillow fisted weight grifter .. Tank is a US Otke.. Garcia should stick to tik tok & Lopez is cheesier than a RJJ rap battle..
     
  14. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I have the feeling that this ****ing illness he got stole from all of us something really special. He was never the same.
     
  15. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I honestly think they all are extremely talented, but none of them is eager to test their limits. We can make an exception with Teo, who really seems to be trying to achieve something important, but he is incredibly unpredictable. He can do the most brilliant boxing and then pure **** in his next fight. If he can get mentally more stable he can make a statement at the end of his career and claim to be really great I think.

    The less talented of all of them imho is Haney.
     
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