Press Scores for Pacquiao-Horn

Worth noting as well that of the 15 scoring for Pac on here, many either acknowledged there were many close swing rounds, or had it by a narrow margin, or both - further deflating the sails of the "horrible robbery" fleet.

I bet if you scan through all those "55 overall/32 actual scorecards" for Pac in the OP, a good many of them were also 115-113 or came with the additional (conveniently omitted) caveat "but it was really close".

 

CST80 - very good

Case closed

 

I scored it 117-111 for Pacquiao but I'm going to go back and see if I can give more rounds to Horn. I'm in a weird boat here 'cause I was like "Close, how could anyone see it close? He was landing 2 to 1." But then, I'm one of those guys who thought the same about Gonzalez. Both fights I see a little guy connecting a lot more than the bigger stronger guy who's missing most of his own shots. Bunch of head clashes, rough housing, and bleeding.

 

You dont seem to understand that the issue with the decision being given to Horn is not just due to the actual scorecards, one of which was clearly a robbery card (117-111).

The issue is that this was backed up with a lot of fouling from Horn to edge the fight in his favour. The hitting on the break, at one point Manny was hit when the referee was holding his glove.

The deliberate headbutts causing cuts.

Horn should have had 1, possibly 2 points deducted from the referee for fouls. Its certain that in a rematch he would not be allowed to get away with such fouling and Manny would be a clear winner.

I personally would have deducted a point from Horn in the 7th for that headbutt.

 

How was that headbutt deliberate? Their heads went in at the same time. There is a youtube video that plainly shows both heads moving in at the same time in the 6th round. Pac actually went in lower. The headlocks should have been warned but didn't affect the outcome.

 

Kind of expected with a big fan base.

 

A problem that will always effect boxing - no luxury of replays, slow mo when you have to judge RBR.

Adopt Bando rules like the Burmese and everything but KO'S are ruled draws. Fat chance that happening.

 

My post refers to the headbutt in the 7th round. Not the one in the 6th round.

 

For those who say Horn should have won the fight, how do you refute the CompuBox numbers? I am certainly no expert on fight scoring and this is just an honest question. With the hindsight of CompuBox, it would seem difficult to justify Horn winning the fight. I get that judges don't have access to those numbers and a fight can be viewed differently in the moment (and viewers are influenced by commentators), but such one-sided CompuBox statistics must be an indicator of something.

What I am getting at is that I don't think it is egregious for a judge to have scored the fight for Horn in the moment, but I have a hard time understanding how someone looking back at the fight now with all available information could come to that same conclusion.

 

The Compubox numbers are irrelevant. The guys who did them were in the US watching the ESPN coverage.

Manny outlanded Horn 2 to 1? Please.

If you need to look at numbers spat out of a computer to tell you who won a fight, you're an idiot.

 

Was compubox irrelevant in the mayweather pac fight? Because Pac was the aggressor and landed the bugger shots in that fight. Mayweather ran and tied up the entire fight. The reason I ask if it was irrelevant is many here pointed to compubox for giving it to mayweather easily.

 

Compubox is bullsheet in close, dirty fights man. You do realise it is just two guys doing exactly what you are doing at home - it's not some all powerful computer.

Round 1 stats show just what a misleading start it can give.

 

Completely irrelevant in every fight that's ever been fought.