Pretty Boy Floyd v Sweet Pea Whitaker

That could also happen. My comment was based on Pea's tendancy to come forward against fighters that weren't pure pressure fighters. He implied this on big punches like Trinidad, even while shot, and against big punchers like Pineda at times, against guys like Jones, at times against Pendleton(although more of a trade off, as you said), and other guys. Pretty much every fight he fought in aside from a few earlier ones, he was the one coming forward for at least a decent portion of the fight, which is why this perception of him as a runner is absolutely laughable.

But I see your point, Pea would do a bit of both at times.

 

Why?

He won 40 fights straight before being beaten by LaMotta not 121.

1. I said that Robinson would likley win

2. He only beat Hearns(draw), Hagler and Benetiz once. :good

 

That's absurd.

Incorrect, he lost to LaMotta in the 40th fight is his career I believe, or thereabouts, he was 128-1-2 in his prime, with the one loss coming to LaMotta.

No he didn't. He was a prime example of a fighter who used his offense as his defense, much more so than Leonard.

You're showing your lack of knowledge here in a big way. There were guys in his own era that beat him, so obviously he could be beat. At WW, I'd favor him over everyone, but at MW, not at all. Leonard has a decent chance at beating him.

More fights and more rounds than anyone I can name? Langford, Greb, Pep, Zivic, etc. Leonard got his fame off of fighting several guys different times around? He beat the big 4 of his era, in one of the best eras of all time. What do you call fighting LaMotta 6 times in that case? Fighting and losing more often than not to guys like Fullmer, Basilio, etc? Ducking Charley Burley twice, even when offered the biggest purse of his career. I don't mean to bash Robinson, but you acting as if he is some kind of God who could do no wrong shows your lack of knowledge about the man and his ways. Leonard was fantastic, as was Robinson. Neither were perfect, especially Robinson.

He wasn't a defensive fighter, so what the hell is your point? He'd have beaten Norris and Camacho's asses in his prime as well.

 

I think Whitaker would take more "risks" than Mayweather. I think he would use his upper body movement to stay on the inside of Mayweather. I think Mayweather is a great boxer and he has more power than Whitkaer. Mayweather will have his moments but in the end Whitkaer's "risks" will pay off.
I think Whitaker would win 7-9 of the 12 rounds.

 

You seem to forget that those 4 he beat were the best of the era, so what the hell else was he supposed to do? You also forget that be beat Hagler after a 5 year layoff due to a detached retina. And he did beat Hagler on my scorecards, clearly.

He lost a very close first fight with Duran when he fought Duran's fight, and made him quit in the rematch. The 3rd bout was meaningless. He beat Hearns by TKO in their first fight, and likely lost an equally meaningless rematch when both were past their best. He beat Hagler when both were past their prime, but Leonard had just come off a 5 year layoff, and was going up in weight. He beat Benitez by stoppage in his prime.

He also beat good fighters like Kalule for the title at 154 and LaLonde for the share of the 168-175 titles.

Either way, he beat the best of his era in one of the best eras ever.

 

Floyd at the lower wieghts is the only person i've ever seen that could amaze me the way sweet pea did. This would probably be one of the best fights of all time. Pea by close UD.

 

You lost all credability in my eyes by comparing leonard to DLH, leonard in a whole diffrent league, as has been said robinson did not lose to la motta in his 121 fight it was his 40th, now you could argue he had went 124 fights undefeated before that loss if you included his amatuer career but i don't count amateur records. The fight was not for the middleweight title, the only time they fought for a title was the st valentines day massacre in 51

Robinson did not employ a shoulder roll on any footage i've ever seen of him and i've seen alot, he was quite average defensively just phenominal offensivly with a cracking chin and unbelivable heart that made up for that deficiancy

 

Sweat pea's inside game is better then floyds. He would exploit this and win a close UD.

 

Your right. I'm counting on Whitaker's abilities to make those "risks" less risky in reality than they might seem to be.