Prettyboy floyd mayweather ud 12

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  1. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    ok...here's my take on it.is manny a pressure fighter ? nomanny is best when somone is pressuring him and that's due to his crazy speed and power...it's easier to stun, or ko someone while they're on the attack cause they aint expecting it.....(manny is a really underrated counter puncher)now, will mayweather attack, attack and attack ??? hell nohe's gonna sit in the pocket, make manny miss and not only that, but he's gonna make him pay.....sure manny seems to throw punches in bunches...but that's only when he has his opponent hurt or back peddling into the ropes...and with mayweather, you can't hit what you can't reach...which is gonna be really important in this fight...due to mayweathers defense, i really find it hard for manny to get in there without being punished by that lazer-like right hand money may loves to throw while he's in counter mode....and remember how many lazy ass jabs cotto landed clean on manny while just standing there....now imagine a nicely timed straight right with lots of power behind it.....WOW !!!ok...let's move onmanny's work rate looks great when his opponent is crouched down in a traditional boxing stance position (cotto, oscar)...but what's he gonna do when money may is leaning on the back foot waiting for any simply mistake he makes....punches in bunches are not the answer to floyds defense....the only way i see manny being succesful is if he actually throws a lot less.....kind of how zab did in the first 4 rounds of their fight....zab didn't waste no punches and only threw effective punches that were landing....but even then, money may figured him out quick and took over right away....i would love to see what manny has as a plan B vs an elite fighter that's not gonna get hurt or tired....(this fight is really sizzling to me now)now let's move on to ring generalship....many confuse manny's pressure with cutting off the ring...that's a big NO-NO because as stated earlier, manny don't come off the back pressuring you, he slowly bates you into a war...but if the other fighter dont bite, it'll be like barrera 2 all over again with manny just waiting for opportunities...but in this fight that'll be a huge problem cause money may does everything a bit better when it comes down to that.........another important fact that many forget is that manny had cotto ready to go out in about the 8th round.....all cotto was doing was using his footwork to get away from him and it was working.......so how come manny didn't cut off the ring then, instead of letting a dead cotto out-work him in the feet department......to me, that is a clear sign that manny still doesn't know how to cut the ring off....and following money may around is only gonna call for trouble for him.......THAT BEING SAID.....PRETTY BOY FLOYD UD 12MANNY WILL HAVE HIS MOMENT BUT FLOYD WILL JUST SMILE AND KEEP GRINDING.......AND YOU ****ERZ CAN BRING THIS THREAD UP IF I'M WRONG.....BUT I REALLY, REALLY DOUBT IT !!!!!!!!
    P.SSORRY EVERYTHING IS BUNCHED UP....I'M WORKING FROM A PROXY SERVER AND THAT'S THE WAY EVERYTHING COMES OUT....
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Excellent post Freddy. I've said the same thing the type of pressure Manny brings won't work. It needs to be educated like Zab brought who picked his shots early against PBF showed a good jab and countered him. The Zab fight will be harder for PBF than Pac will. Pac coming in like a wild man will be the worst thing he can do PBF will simply counter him or he won't be there at all. You also have to factor in Pac's short arms and PBF's longer arms which will be another key.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Another thing is intelligent pressure. Pac doesn't do this he comes in off balanced with no jab and doesn't cut off the ring or go to the body. Intelligent pressure is working behind a jab to get inside while cutting off the ring to get to the body. Not rushing in getting off and getting back out. You can't head hunt against PBF he's too good you must go to the body and have a consistant jab that will keep him honest.
     
  4. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    a perfect example is the castillo fight....which is/was a true class performance of what effective pressure and in-fighting is.....now that's what's even scarier for manny because of the way floyd adapted in the rematch......now if money did that with a class A pressure fighter, what's he gonna to do manny..........
     
  5. Caponecartels

    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    Sadly, I must agree with you.

    Unless Roach can somehow make Manny's defense tighter, and show him
    how to use that jab of his, it's gonna be Mayweather's fight to win.
     
  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Manny doesn't come in like a "wild man". Come on..he's more disciplined than that. I agree that Roach has to come up with a good plan for Manny, or Floyd will avoid getting his and will counter punch his way to a decision.
     
  7. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Im disappointed in you Freddy, you jumped over the the dark side after years of battling them.


    Pac TKO Chavez @ 147
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    JLC is also a great inside fighter who could fight in a phone booth if need be where he could get to PBF's body. Pac can't do this and it's going to be a liability because Pac will find his mid range game a tough draw. PBF will simply keep him at bay with his superior reach and jab beat Pac to the punch or counter him them clinch him fight off the clinch and fight him on the inside where he can make him miss, counter him and walk him into shots with elbows he's a master at this.:deal
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Even if he found a jab it wouldn't be that effective because of the reach issues. I agree Pac needs to work on his defense much more for this fight.
     
  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao can fight defensive or aggressive and he has the power to make things seriously affective when he's aggressive. Mayweather can also adapt and fight both ways when he needs to but I believe he lacks the power to back Pac off, like serious one punch power, yes he will land some stinging shots that will stun Pacman because he won't see them coming but I doubt it will put him in serious danger of hitting the canvas or knocked out, he handled Cotto power perfectly fine despite being stunned a few times.

    What makes it 50/50 is Pac's aggression, Mayweather is NOT impossible to hit if you're Pacman. Pac has the speed, combination and he's unpredictable with his punches, sometimes going body head, sometimes 100% head and sometimes 100% body. Both guys will need to handle each other's power to "skill" and adapting to fully take place. Hatton wasn't given a chance and Cotto couldn't do much after hitting the canvas in the 4th, he was 100% defense from there and no one can blame him, that's a kind of punch that would KO someone.
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post. I see a UD for Floyd myself....but I do feel it won't be onesided. It will be the hardest fight of Floyd's career. while I do think that Floyd is going to fight similar to the way Cotto did being constantly on the move for the last 4 Rounds...I think manny will have his spots where he does cut the ring off and conrer the elusive Mayweather. But he'll have to work on cutting the ring off with Roach.

    Floyd is not going to have an easy time catching Manny in the early rounds. He'll need time to get acclimated to PAC's speed...so I see PAC starting off strong early.....Floyd adpating...taking control around rounds 4-7...Manny getting Back into the fight and forcing Floyd to fight in the championship rounds, but Floyd getting back to keeping distance, using the Jab and using his foot work to avoid risky situations with Manny in the last two rounds to seal the deal.
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    PAC wont be head hunting this fight. He'll be banging away at the body, shoulders, arms ect. He'll set up the head shots but will be efficent with head hunting.

    PAC does apply intelligent pressure. PAC uses the Jab, but he uses his lead left like a jab as well. It works great b/c his opponents don't know what is coming. They expect a jab...they eat a straight left....they expect the Jab...they get a right hook...ect.

    But yea....PAC is gonna have to use the Jab a lot more and use it intelligently to keep Floyd honest....whch won't be a problem. Floyd isn't gonna be pressng the action.
     
  13. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jose is a good fighter....but he wasn't great. manny is and has far more dynamics than JLC. His pressue is gonna be far more effective and hard to predict than that of Jose in the 1st fight with Floyd. I honestly feel the footwork, movement and spuratic offense will keep Floyd guessing and missing when he tries to establish his jab....at least early on. When he get use to the speed and figures Manny out a little more I think he'll begin to land more and begin to take control. I think PAC will adapt and adjust his offense to combat Floyd's Jab and straight right later middle rounds and it will be back and forth.
     
  14. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    One of Pacs improvements he throws to teh body alot more.

    The key is for PAC to steal rounds thru aggression. If you think the judges will give rounds to Floyd for three solid connects over PACs aggressiveness even not effective, youre out of your minds