After he fights Skelton,he will have had a grand total of 15 fights. Who had Vitali fought after 15 fights? I expect 2013 to be a big year for Price.
This is pretty much what I was saying. But Price won't have the experience to have the "tehcnical, tactical and strategic" aspects. It's his 4th opponent, not his fifth. This is a completely normal progression in terms of who he is fighting for someone with this number of fights. There isn't a better available British opponent to defend the title against. My point is that, because the 14 fights have been over a long period of time and he is nearly 30, the schedule needed to be adjusted and speeded up. He's going to be going from skelton and Harrison to a top 10 ranked fighter, that is not a good gradual progression, he's going to have to take a huge leap in quality because he's spent too long in getting this far. Not in terms of the number of fights, but the time frame of 3 3/4 years to get to this point.
Well let's face it, Helenius is a step ahead of Price development-wise. But he's also coming off an injury. If all goes well for Price he could fight Helenius by the end of 2013. I'd favor Helenius, he's not a great boxer but we've seen him fight top 20 opponents and take them out. Haven't seen enough from Prince yet. In general Price shouldn't be too concerned with getting big fights too quickly. He can safely stick with the Sam Peters and Audley Harrisons just to test himself slowly and grow his confidence.
Fighters at his stage of their careers are learning with almost every fight. Literally. Things that work, things that don't. Even more they are learning exponentially in training (see the imprpovements in Price's jab). He won't have the experience of...a more experienced fighter, but he will have more experience than he has now. That is, he is improving and learning with each fight. He is more likely to lose to a fighter he is capable of beating if he is not rushed, but there will be a leap, as you say. This is the bottom line and it speaks loudest. His eventual fate in what is a very weak division with two fading kings is very much open for debate, certainly, but I don't think the way he is being handled really is. Certainly not to the point where he can be dismissed as "another Povetkin". His situation isn't ideal, as you say, but it is what it is. Skelton, Dimitrenko, Chisora, Fury, Haye, Pulev, Povetkin, Wlad would represent more than reasonable next than three.four years for him with those names interchangeable with other guys at and around.
If we look at other boxers about Price's age and have been pro for a similar time period; Pulev, 17-0, Ustinov, Dimitrenko, Walker, Skelton in his 5th fight. Helenius 17-0, Peter, Liakhovich, Chisora Mitchell 25-0 Ibragimov, Witherspoon Price should have had fights like this by now.
I wouldn't call him "another Povetkin" Price's career progression is below that. Within the first 3 years of Povetkin's career he had faced Byrd and Chambers. Price isn't learning with each fight. He has boxed 37 rounds in his career. I don't know with whom he has been sparring, but I don't expect it would be anyone of note in preparation for fights at this level.
There is a difference between being a "world champion" and hand picking **** opponents and a 14-0 prospect and doing the same. That is my point. Price has done a huge amount of name sparring, including Haye, Chisora, Sosnowski (if you want to count him!) and Solis but names Pulev as being his toughest spars. The fighter himself says he is learning with each fight and I agree that he is.
But he hasn't; he's had 14 fights. You can't change what is in the past. It is undeniable that Price has been moved along more slowly than the men you've listed above. I can only say it for the fifth time - if he's still fighting opponents of this quality next year we have problems. Skelton is a fine opponent for such a fast turnaround in a busy year.
Next year he will be fighting opponents of a higher quality, but fury excluded, will still be behind where he should be. I'm saying his progression is too slow, you are saying it isn't. So does that mean you think the careers of the other boxers I named are being rushed? "I can only say it for the fifth time - if he's still fighting opponents of this quality next year we have problems." If we were having this debate a year a go, you would have made this same point, and the truth is, that is where we are. You are ignoring the fact that he is nearly 4 years into his career, and just focusing on the fact that it is his 14th fight. As I have said, it is a passable fight for his 14th fight. But that changes because it has taken so long to get to his 14th fight. So therefore his career plan should have been adjusted to speed it up. Skelton is not his next opponent because he is at the right level to allow for Price to improve in the best possible way. It is because he is British and Maloney wants him to win the lonsdale belt outright. But my point is that it is too late to waste time with that, and instead he should move on to opponents that would help his progression from domestic to top 10 level. Like the opponents the boxers I mentioned previously have faced. Do you really think fighting Skelton is a good choice and will help him prepare for a fighter like Fury?
I understand what you are saying as regards other pro's that turn professional at a given stage of their careers. As for what is "right for them" that's always going to be an unkown. You can have an opinion, and yours is valid but it isn't one that really matters. The eye says that Price is coming along beatuifully and there is no derth of people, industry and fan, ready to pick him over the type of fighters we are talking about. I think that every fighter is different and I think that the eye and the results speak the loudest. Yes, I am ignoring it. Price's relative lack of activity is reality; i'm more interested in what come snext. I don't think it is notably worse than the fighters Fury has chosen to prepare himself for Price, 35-7 Vinny Maddalone (2-2 going in) or 14-2 Martin Rogan (2-2 going in and an even(ish) match for Skelton). In other words these are two REGIONAL fighters who are about to have a REGIONAL dust up which will elevate one of them. But if fury beat Dimitrenko or Chisora (Again) next time out I would still pick Price to beat him. In other words, however their respective careers have been handled, Price has been broght along in such a way as to make him a favourite versus Fury (and he will be).
He wants the British title outright, and has stated as much. He can't fight much better if thats what he wants. Haye won't fight for a domestic title, Fury vacated said title, and Chisora's banned. Who would you like him to face?
Yes, and what comes next should be a higher level, not skelton. His fights demonstrate his power and he can finish an opponent, but as they are offering him no challenge coming forward he is learning little or nothing. His improvements and development are coming from his training not his fights. If his next opponent was a worthy opponent he would learn from that, and it would help him and his trainers know what to develop in training which would no doubt help to develop. I disagree with the thread starters point that his career is going nowhere, but this fight is a waste of time. He will gain nothing from stopping Skelton in a couple of rounds, as he learnt nothing from Harrison. Humour me for a moment and don't ignore it. Do you think Skelton is the sort of opponent a boxer 4 years into his career with world title aspirations should be facing?
Nobody goes, "i hope i'm fighting a 45 year old former british champion three years from now" at the start of their careers, no. Let me ask you a question - which of these schedules is preferable for a novice: Oct 10th: Audley Harrison Dec 10th: Matt Skelton Apr 14th: Tyson Fury. OR Oct 10th: Audley Harrison Apr 14th: Tyson Fury. Easy, isn't it?
Read above and propose an alternative. Fighter needs to be British as Price wants a Lonsdale belt to keep.
Yes, absolutely. In another thread I even went through many British fighters to explain why Skelton is the only possible choice for this. I just think if there isn't a worthy British opponent available to defend against, at his age and stage in his career he should move on. If Chisora was a possible opponent then I would be all for winning the belt outright, but he isn't.